1 00:00:24,919 --> 00:00:21,639 [Music] 2 00:00:28,509 --> 00:00:24,929 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,910 --> 00:00:28,519 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:34,920 here's gene Steinberg well last week was 5 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:38,280 a fascinating episode with James Fox one 6 00:00:42,889 --> 00:00:40,260 of the three people behind the chasing 7 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:42,899 UFOs TV show I have to tell you though 8 00:00:48,350 --> 00:00:45,530 that the show hasn't gotten the greatest 9 00:00:50,780 --> 00:00:48,360 response I've read a couple of critical 10 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:50,790 comments from mainstream newspapers some 11 00:00:55,460 --> 00:00:53,129 saying it's just too wacky for them 12 00:00:59,359 --> 00:00:55,470 others suggesting that yeah it is a 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:00:59,369 decent show now I did check because I 14 00:01:04,670 --> 00:01:01,290 get curious about such things 15 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:04,680 I checked the TV ratings as a site 16 00:01:10,609 --> 00:01:08,729 called zap2it comm okay where you can 17 00:01:12,410 --> 00:01:10,619 check TV ratings for people who are 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:12,420 crazy enough to actually wonder about 19 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:15,090 stuff like that so did it get zapped or 20 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:17,970 what well they have the top 100 shows 21 00:01:24,590 --> 00:01:22,170 here okay and number one was Family Guy 22 00:01:27,110 --> 00:01:24,600 these are of course repeat slob repeats 23 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:27,120 on cable TV down the bottom of the list 24 00:01:33,980 --> 00:01:30,630 we had Flying Wild Alaska House Hunters 25 00:01:36,649 --> 00:01:33,990 International a repeat of Fox News 26 00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:36,659 Channel's O'Reilly Factor but I can't 27 00:01:41,899 --> 00:01:39,600 see anything for I'll do a search okay 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:41,909 you hear me typing that's real typing on 29 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:44,370 a real keyboard I keep a noisy keyboard 30 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:46,830 because I learn from in the movies when 31 00:01:50,750 --> 00:01:48,600 people type on computer keyboards I have 32 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:50,760 to be noisy Looney Tunes is right in the 33 00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:51,840 middle of it by the way 34 00:01:58,580 --> 00:01:55,110 FX movie prime Tom and Jerry tales is 35 00:02:03,530 --> 00:01:58,590 the top hundred lists Friday the 29th of 36 00:02:06,980 --> 00:02:03,540 June a and T farm house of pain America 37 00:02:08,869 --> 00:02:06,990 Pickers storage wars what is that guys 38 00:02:10,999 --> 00:02:08,879 that go around and buy a storage unit 39 00:02:13,309 --> 00:02:11,009 contents that have gone into default 40 00:02:15,979 --> 00:02:13,319 well now you know you must be a fan of 41 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:15,989 the show has less than no viewers okay 42 00:02:21,229 --> 00:02:19,080 Chelsea Lately and we'll have Chelsea's 43 00:02:24,530 --> 00:02:21,239 on time you know it's ridiculous I 44 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:24,540 didn't see chasing UFOs it wasn't in the 45 00:02:28,459 --> 00:02:26,310 top 100 I have a hard time believing 46 00:02:31,070 --> 00:02:28,469 that well I have it right here I have 47 00:02:32,870 --> 00:02:31,080 the ratings you know and let's 48 00:02:34,550 --> 00:02:32,880 National Geographic channel's never 49 00:02:37,310 --> 00:02:34,560 included on those ratings I don't know 50 00:02:39,980 --> 00:02:37,320 but you know we're down to a point here 51 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:39,990 where shows are getting less than the 52 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:42,660 million viewers and this had major 53 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:45,840 publicity by the way I mean I was 54 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:49,170 hearing on radio TV publicity lots of 55 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:50,430 web banners I didn't buy advertising 56 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:53,370 with the power cast I'd like to see the 57 00:03:00,200 --> 00:02:56,640 show succeed because when you get past 58 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:00,210 the crazy reality TV flourishes you get 59 00:03:05,450 --> 00:03:03,930 past the night vision junk they're 60 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:05,460 trying to show some respect for the 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:07,440 facts and that's pretty difficult 62 00:03:11,570 --> 00:03:09,330 because we know certain other reality 63 00:03:12,980 --> 00:03:11,580 shows that cover the paranormal as you 64 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:12,990 know Chris because you were on one of 65 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:16,110 them where they decide that you're in 66 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:18,120 the wrong location so they make you 67 00:03:22,190 --> 00:03:20,340 somewhere else so if you go to the 68 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:22,200 mysterious Valley they said no it cannot 69 00:03:26,150 --> 00:03:23,850 be the mysterious Valley it has to be 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Sedona Arizona I was a little bit more 71 00:03:33,260 --> 00:03:30,570 underhanded than that maybe maybe you 72 00:03:35,390 --> 00:03:33,270 are for hunters you know I don't know 73 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:35,400 pooped in the pool and kind of ruined 74 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:36,810 there for everybody I'd maybe 75 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:38,640 everybody's gun shy now I don't know I 76 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:40,920 would think that with the amount of you 77 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:43,769 know pre-debut publicity that they gave 78 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:45,690 it that it would at least be up in the 79 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:48,150 top you know 50 or 60 shows for the time 80 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:50,670 period that's that's pretty grim and it 81 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:52,470 has been repeated it was repeated the 82 00:03:56,060 --> 00:03:53,519 next day though I haven't seen 83 00:03:58,880 --> 00:03:56,070 Saturday's ratings now the other thing 84 00:04:00,860 --> 00:03:58,890 to point out is the poll that they took 85 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:00,870 they commissioned a real poll from a 86 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:03,390 real market research agency National 87 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:06,180 Geographic Channel and it showed that a 88 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:07,980 third of the people in America believe 89 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:11,190 in UFO reality down from 50 percent last 90 00:04:15,979 --> 00:04:13,620 decade or two but the point being this 91 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:15,989 got coverage in USA Today this got 92 00:04:20,719 --> 00:04:18,000 coverage all around the country maybe in 93 00:04:23,659 --> 00:04:20,729 other parts of the world so you think 94 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:23,669 people would be curious Hey Friday night 95 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:25,740 of course is not the best time for TV 96 00:04:30,890 --> 00:04:28,530 ratings if we even check the mainstream 97 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:30,900 TV networks you'll find that ratings 98 00:04:36,409 --> 00:04:33,210 tend to be down on Friday now people go 99 00:04:38,690 --> 00:04:36,419 out it may also be that there's a lot of 100 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:38,700 time shifting involved here but people 101 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:41,970 turn on their DVRs they record the shows 102 00:04:46,559 --> 00:04:44,409 they watch them later now half the 103 00:04:48,179 --> 00:04:46,569 people in the United States I have a lot 104 00:04:49,829 --> 00:04:48,189 of statistics here you know I'm million 105 00:04:53,129 --> 00:04:49,839 statistics most of which means nothing 106 00:04:57,929 --> 00:04:53,139 but half the people in this country have 107 00:05:00,929 --> 00:04:57,939 a DVR of some sort so they are able to 108 00:05:04,290 --> 00:05:00,939 watch TV shows later on so we'll have to 109 00:05:06,989 --> 00:05:04,300 see I hope it gets ratings for this you 110 00:05:09,029 --> 00:05:06,999 know ecology I don't think it's as bad 111 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:09,039 as people I'm you know the forum you're 112 00:05:13,559 --> 00:05:11,289 at the forum dot the para cast com are 113 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:13,569 making out sure there's a lot of hokey 114 00:05:18,779 --> 00:05:16,209 nuts in it they have those cameras that 115 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:18,789 stick off their faces on poles they walk 116 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:20,289 around at night looking for physical 117 00:05:25,619 --> 00:05:23,110 trace evidence and after a rainstorm in 118 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:25,629 the pitch black you know sure there are 119 00:05:30,949 --> 00:05:28,329 some decisions that are being made I 120 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:30,959 think with the entertainment value 121 00:05:37,769 --> 00:05:34,089 foremost in mind but but I think with 122 00:05:39,299 --> 00:05:37,779 good case selection I saw some kind of 123 00:05:41,699 --> 00:05:39,309 fun repartee between the three 124 00:05:43,859 --> 00:05:41,709 principals with some good research some 125 00:05:45,509 --> 00:05:43,869 good case selections you know I think 126 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:45,519 the show has a chance but not if it 127 00:05:49,679 --> 00:05:47,409 can't get in the top 100 on its debut 128 00:05:51,929 --> 00:05:49,689 episode after all the publicity that 129 00:05:54,449 --> 00:05:51,939 it's gotten that does not bode well you 130 00:05:57,329 --> 00:05:54,459 see part of the problem here is that 131 00:05:59,179 --> 00:05:57,339 when you do a reality show there are 132 00:06:02,519 --> 00:05:59,189 certain constraints to the medium and 133 00:06:04,980 --> 00:06:02,529 when you go out to do something you have 134 00:06:07,889 --> 00:06:04,990 to have a result even if you don't see 135 00:06:10,679 --> 00:06:07,899 something you have to have something in 136 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:10,689 the can it has to look like something's 137 00:06:14,609 --> 00:06:12,969 going on now with this show 138 00:06:16,829 --> 00:06:14,619 they're compressing events obviously 139 00:06:18,329 --> 00:06:16,839 with some of the reality shows I'll give 140 00:06:21,689 --> 00:06:18,339 you another example the house hunters 141 00:06:24,389 --> 00:06:21,699 show you have a show of people who go 142 00:06:26,909 --> 00:06:24,399 out with a real estate agent to find in 143 00:06:29,159 --> 00:06:26,919 your new house and it's always three 144 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:29,169 homes which of the three homes does this 145 00:06:35,069 --> 00:06:32,319 couple want to buy and they show homes 146 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:35,079 all over the world not just in America 147 00:06:40,350 --> 00:06:38,529 but in Europe in South America etc it's 148 00:06:43,309 --> 00:06:40,360 an interesting show but you know if 149 00:06:46,409 --> 00:06:43,319 you've ever gone to look for a new house 150 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:46,419 and the same applies to an apartment you 151 00:06:52,229 --> 00:06:48,969 don't just have three and usually what 152 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:52,239 they do is they reenact the walkthroughs 153 00:06:58,640 --> 00:06:55,089 through these homes for TV it's a 154 00:07:00,620 --> 00:06:58,650 reenactment yes the couple did buy a 155 00:07:02,390 --> 00:07:00,630 yes it's probably the house that you see 156 00:07:05,810 --> 00:07:02,400 on TV yes 157 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:05,820 this is the real estate agent yes these 158 00:07:11,450 --> 00:07:09,210 are homes they saw but it's only a 159 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:11,460 compressed version of reality reality 160 00:07:17,090 --> 00:07:14,520 does not take 45 minutes of a one-hour 161 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:17,100 TV show plus the commercials and you do 162 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:20,010 that in the UFO field you know it's darn 163 00:07:27,170 --> 00:07:23,880 difficult possible but oh well what do I 164 00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:27,180 know well I hope it works I do too 165 00:07:32,180 --> 00:07:30,150 it's like sci-fi investigates that crazy 166 00:07:34,670 --> 00:07:32,190 show I think Richard Dolan was on that 167 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:34,680 didn't do too well think these shows 168 00:07:38,690 --> 00:07:36,930 they're just doomed I don't know what it 169 00:07:40,490 --> 00:07:38,700 is but I guess we'll find out you know 170 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:40,500 those are still around 171 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:45,510 yeah those shows work very well the ones 172 00:07:51,170 --> 00:07:49,050 that are about UFOs well you know 173 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:51,180 there's a pole over at forum dot the 174 00:07:57,260 --> 00:07:54,150 power cast on Tom right now about the 175 00:08:00,740 --> 00:07:57,270 best UFO show and they start with in 176 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:00,750 search of from the 1970s project UFO UFO 177 00:08:06,290 --> 00:08:04,650 FILES UFOs over earth UFO hunters 178 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:06,300 believe it or not three people voted for 179 00:08:13,010 --> 00:08:09,600 UFO Hunters I can't believe it ancient 180 00:08:15,590 --> 00:08:13,020 aliens one step beyond that wasn't a UFO 181 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:15,600 show though it's back in 1959 and 182 00:08:24,620 --> 00:08:20,910 chasing UFOs which got no votes but tied 183 00:08:28,340 --> 00:08:24,630 for second TV has never treated the 184 00:08:32,260 --> 00:08:28,350 subject with respect no it's the 185 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:32,270 red-haired stepchild of broadcasting 186 00:08:38,060 --> 00:08:35,150 well that's about reality TV in general 187 00:08:41,810 --> 00:08:38,070 you know I mean if you got survivor on 188 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:41,820 TV you got storage wars how could you 189 00:08:46,570 --> 00:08:44,970 possibly take chasing UFOs seriously you 190 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:46,580 know storage wars I still can't 191 00:08:49,850 --> 00:08:48,450 understand some of these things and 192 00:08:53,180 --> 00:08:49,860 maybe they want to look for Snooki or 193 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:53,190 something and I hear the name Snooki and 194 00:08:57,650 --> 00:08:55,770 I think of Sookie the character in the 195 00:09:01,340 --> 00:08:57,660 TV show True Blood about vampires and 196 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:01,350 everything that's just me I never watch 197 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:04,950 reality shows yeah Snooki huh Snooki 198 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:08,580 that sounds like it smells bad we 199 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:10,110 actually have a real show today by the 200 00:09:14,069 --> 00:09:11,170 way we 201 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:14,079 yes and we have a return visit from a 202 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:16,810 guest who was here two years ago and he 203 00:09:23,699 --> 00:09:20,470 is an encyclopedic knowledge of UFOs 204 00:09:26,579 --> 00:09:23,709 especially in South America well 205 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:26,589 anything any medieval case histories to 206 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:28,930 I mean there's very few people that can 207 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:31,750 touch Antonio Antonio who næss is one of 208 00:09:37,290 --> 00:09:34,440 the editors of the open minds magazine 209 00:09:39,300 --> 00:09:37,300 he has fascinating articles and probably 210 00:09:41,220 --> 00:09:39,310 is the best resource they have in that 211 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about 324 00:14:34,210 --> 00:14:31,639 a lot of things and has written some 325 00:14:38,139 --> 00:14:34,220 fascinating articles for open minds one 326 00:14:41,470 --> 00:14:38,149 of which is about the Mayans 2012 and 327 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:41,480 UFOs in fact I think we should start 328 00:14:45,340 --> 00:14:43,309 with that Antonia 329 00:14:50,139 --> 00:14:45,350 welcome back to the para cast Thank You 330 00:14:53,079 --> 00:14:50,149 Dean and hi Chris welcome back okay so 331 00:14:55,059 --> 00:14:53,089 Chris started this discussion by 332 00:14:57,850 --> 00:14:55,069 updating our forums that formed after 333 00:15:02,470 --> 00:14:57,860 para cast comm with an article you wrote 334 00:15:04,569 --> 00:15:02,480 about the Mayans 2012 and UFOs so I am 335 00:15:07,629 --> 00:15:04,579 very curious what is the possible 336 00:15:09,489 --> 00:15:07,639 connection with all three okay you know 337 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:09,499 what I try to do the article really 338 00:15:13,749 --> 00:15:12,170 doesn't have any final conclusions or 339 00:15:15,939 --> 00:15:13,759 anything but what I try to do with that 340 00:15:17,769 --> 00:15:15,949 article it was a cover story was on the 341 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:17,779 not on the current issue but on the 342 00:15:22,449 --> 00:15:19,970 issue before or the open minds magazine 343 00:15:24,129 --> 00:15:22,459 and people can you know get them through 344 00:15:27,610 --> 00:15:24,139 her through our website at open minds 345 00:15:30,819 --> 00:15:27,620 dot TV but anyway what I try to do is to 346 00:15:33,669 --> 00:15:30,829 explain what is this phenomenon of 2012 347 00:15:35,619 --> 00:15:33,679 put it a little bit in context so I 348 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:35,629 create a little bit the history of it 349 00:15:43,299 --> 00:15:39,529 for which you have to go to the late 80s 350 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:43,309 to a man called Jose Reyes who was a 351 00:15:49,090 --> 00:15:46,610 sort of a New Age philosopher and very 352 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:49,100 influential in some circles he had also 353 00:15:54,730 --> 00:15:51,649 with a well-educated man I think he had 354 00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,740 a degree from history of art or 355 00:15:58,569 --> 00:15:56,240 something like that from University of 356 00:16:00,009 --> 00:15:58,579 Chicago I mean it was you know an 357 00:16:02,650 --> 00:16:00,019 important an important guy although 358 00:16:05,019 --> 00:16:02,660 certainly controversial and he came up 359 00:16:06,669 --> 00:16:05,029 with the concept in the late 80s known 360 00:16:08,619 --> 00:16:06,679 as the harmonic convergence 361 00:16:11,079 --> 00:16:08,629 you remember that gene you probably do 362 00:16:12,509 --> 00:16:11,089 well I'm as old as the hills and yes I 363 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:12,519 do remember the harmonic convergence 364 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:15,889 unfortunately I've never converged well 365 00:16:20,289 --> 00:16:17,809 there are many convergence I would say 366 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:20,299 was sort of the beginning of the 2012 367 00:16:24,819 --> 00:16:22,160 phenomenon because 368 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:24,829 prior to that the Maya calendar was just 369 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:28,160 a subject for archeologists I mean only 370 00:16:33,129 --> 00:16:30,769 experts scholars on the on my 371 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:33,139 archaeology on Maya studies really cared 372 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:35,870 about the calendar I mean it's very odd 373 00:16:41,259 --> 00:16:38,750 for a culture every culture has his own 374 00:16:43,689 --> 00:16:41,269 calendar right we use the Gregorian 375 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:43,699 calendar which was actually based on the 376 00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:45,740 Julian calendar which comes in Roman 377 00:16:50,590 --> 00:16:48,079 times but the chronology of course was 378 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:50,600 changed you know to the beginning of the 379 00:16:56,199 --> 00:16:52,550 Christian era but then it had to be 380 00:16:58,749 --> 00:16:56,209 adjusted and that took place in the 1500 381 00:17:00,579 --> 00:16:58,759 by a pope called Gregory and that's why 382 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,589 it's known as the Gregorian calendar and 383 00:17:04,149 --> 00:17:02,240 that's the one we use because the 384 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:04,159 Muslims have Islamic calendar the 385 00:17:08,890 --> 00:17:06,110 Hebrews have a Hebrew calendar and 386 00:17:10,809 --> 00:17:08,900 Chinese and so on but usually every 387 00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:10,819 culture only deals with his own calendar 388 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:12,319 they don't care about what other 389 00:17:17,649 --> 00:17:15,110 cultures calendar may be I'm talking in 390 00:17:19,659 --> 00:17:17,659 popular terms it's only accepted for 391 00:17:22,149 --> 00:17:19,669 specialist in that was the case with the 392 00:17:25,630 --> 00:17:22,159 Maya calendar in the nineteenth century 393 00:17:28,149 --> 00:17:25,640 originally the Maya mathematic number 394 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:28,159 system was decoded before the writing as 395 00:17:33,970 --> 00:17:31,190 you probably know the Maya writing was 396 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:33,980 an even decoder until the 1980s so prior 397 00:17:38,620 --> 00:17:35,270 to that there was a lot of speculation 398 00:17:40,659 --> 00:17:38,630 as to what the Mayans tellers and well 399 00:17:42,610 --> 00:17:40,669 the few writings that survived the 400 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:42,620 Spanish conquest what did they say 401 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:44,720 because nobody could read them but the 402 00:17:49,210 --> 00:17:46,850 numbers were deciphered already in the 403 00:17:51,250 --> 00:17:49,220 nineteenth century and it was thanks to 404 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:51,260 that people were able to establish that 405 00:17:59,500 --> 00:17:54,970 the Year Zero or the Maya calendar was 406 00:18:01,600 --> 00:17:59,510 2013 BC this is the Year Zero nobody 407 00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:01,610 knows why that is the year zero but 408 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:03,740 somehow if you convert it into our 409 00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:06,770 figures you know it comes to that so the 410 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:09,320 2012 is not the end of the world that 411 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:12,049 that is a misnomer but it is the end of 412 00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:15,590 a cycle of a great back tune now what 413 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:18,590 does it mean that is also open to 414 00:18:23,169 --> 00:18:20,570 interpretation because as I explained in 415 00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:23,179 the article there are no Maya processes 416 00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,559 well actually there are some Maya 417 00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:26,720 processes but they are contained in the 418 00:18:31,299 --> 00:18:28,940 books of Chilam Balam and the Popol Vuh 419 00:18:34,029 --> 00:18:31,309 you know there are some some documents 420 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:34,039 that do mention some prophecies that 421 00:18:37,899 --> 00:18:35,929 they're connected to creation 422 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:37,909 and things like that but there's only 423 00:18:44,739 --> 00:18:41,360 one inscription actually that does deal 424 00:18:46,810 --> 00:18:44,749 with the 2012 specifically and that's 425 00:18:49,570 --> 00:18:46,820 known as the door to ghetto inscription 426 00:18:51,580 --> 00:18:49,580 and there is kind of a mysterious little 427 00:18:54,820 --> 00:18:51,590 prophecy there but the text is very 428 00:18:57,129 --> 00:18:54,830 short so I give all that backward but in 429 00:19:00,759 --> 00:18:57,139 now with regards to UFOs it is 430 00:19:01,899 --> 00:19:00,769 interesting that Arguelles himself was a 431 00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:01,909 UFO 432 00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:06,950 quote in the article from a very 433 00:19:12,820 --> 00:19:09,259 extensive biography of our gray it was 434 00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,830 published a couple of years ago I forgot 435 00:19:17,109 --> 00:19:14,960 the name of the book but it's and it's 436 00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:17,119 in the article some kind of message that 437 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,919 he received or some kind of vision that 438 00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:20,960 he had when he was as a as a young boy 439 00:19:25,930 --> 00:19:23,360 he was a Mexican American but but he had 440 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:25,940 grew up in not a blue he was born in the 441 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:27,470 United States but he was of Mexican 442 00:19:32,769 --> 00:19:30,049 heritage so he was visiting the great 443 00:19:34,749 --> 00:19:32,779 rulings of quixote work on near mexico 444 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:34,759 city which of course they're not Mayan 445 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:36,769 but they're pre-columbian you know the 446 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:38,210 massive you know the Pyramid of the Sun 447 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,490 and the moon I've been there they're 448 00:19:44,769 --> 00:19:42,080 very they're very impressive 449 00:19:47,230 --> 00:19:44,779 and he had this kind of vision of 450 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:47,240 something that he was meant to do 451 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:49,970 something with regard to these cultures 452 00:19:55,180 --> 00:19:52,610 which he did he also came to the 453 00:19:57,549 --> 00:19:55,190 conclusion and this was even though his 454 00:19:59,560 --> 00:19:57,559 background was not in the in the UFO in 455 00:20:01,899 --> 00:19:59,570 ufology he came from a completely 456 00:20:04,299 --> 00:20:01,909 different road but he also came to the 457 00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:04,309 conclusion that the Great King Pakal you 458 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:05,990 know the king of Palenque which the 459 00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:08,090 famous teller of the the Palenque 460 00:20:12,369 --> 00:20:10,100 astronaut I guess is how they call it it 461 00:20:14,649 --> 00:20:12,379 was an extraterrestrial and he wrote 462 00:20:17,619 --> 00:20:14,659 this in a book it was called a Mayan 463 00:20:19,989 --> 00:20:17,629 factor which was published in 1988 which 464 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:19,999 was a pretty important book no it wasn't 465 00:20:24,609 --> 00:20:22,730 a best-seller and in massive numbers but 466 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:24,619 it was a very influential book in the 467 00:20:29,889 --> 00:20:26,990 New Age in the New Age culture and 468 00:20:32,769 --> 00:20:29,899 that's when this idea of the Mayan 469 00:20:34,739 --> 00:20:32,779 calendar you know became part of New Age 470 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:34,749 culture in America and eventually 471 00:20:39,810 --> 00:20:37,580 percolated into other countries what I 472 00:20:41,889 --> 00:20:39,820 established there in the article is that 473 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:41,899 even though a lot of the stuff you read 474 00:20:45,849 --> 00:20:43,490 now about a Mayan calendar they don't 475 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:45,859 even mention much UFOs or some of them 476 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:48,290 don't they mostly deal with 477 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:50,930 doomsday and things like that but if you 478 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:52,850 look at the history of this phenomenon 479 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:55,070 they read the link to your thoughts if 480 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:57,050 you go back to the original figure of 481 00:21:01,720 --> 00:20:59,090 course Airways so that's that's one 482 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:01,730 argument I make in the article and then 483 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:03,410 the other thing I do discuss also 484 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:06,710 briefly is some beautiful sightings that 485 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:10,490 have taken place at Mayan sites and I 486 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:12,350 tell the story there because it was I 487 00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:14,150 was a personal story even though I 488 00:21:19,630 --> 00:21:16,820 didn't have the sighting myself but when 489 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:19,640 I visit the Great ruins of Tikal in what 490 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:20,830 an island you know one of the major 491 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:22,370 Mayan ruins 492 00:21:27,550 --> 00:21:25,400 in fact if you remember Pakal was used 493 00:21:29,620 --> 00:21:27,560 at the very end of the Star Wars movie 494 00:21:31,450 --> 00:21:29,630 where the rebel base was located would 495 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:31,460 you see the experiments emerging of the 496 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:33,830 jungle though that's the city of Tikal 497 00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:36,410 which was one of the major Mayan cities 498 00:21:41,290 --> 00:21:40,040 of the ancient world and so I had I was 499 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,300 visiting what they Milan because my 500 00:21:45,730 --> 00:21:43,280 sister were at the time was stationed 501 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:45,740 there with the United Nations this was 502 00:21:52,810 --> 00:21:47,890 in the late nineties I mean I had met 503 00:21:55,570 --> 00:21:52,820 this what a man an otologist who was a 504 00:21:57,130 --> 00:21:55,580 very prominent guy in guatemala 505 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right now I don't remember but anyway so 633 00:27:41,729 --> 00:27:37,869 they recognize this fellow because he 634 00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:41,739 had been on TV shows and they say oh he 635 00:27:45,299 --> 00:27:43,539 says do you know they they love that 636 00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,309 word in Latin American countries means 637 00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,200 basically someone with a university 638 00:27:52,649 --> 00:27:49,600 degree we were thinking of you the other 639 00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:52,659 night because we saw a UFO right out of 640 00:27:56,729 --> 00:27:54,190 the blue right here we're having lunch 641 00:27:58,529 --> 00:27:56,739 it's an outdoor cafe bare by the 642 00:28:01,200 --> 00:27:58,539 entrance to the ruins where they have a 643 00:28:03,659 --> 00:28:01,210 number of tourist shops and you can buy 644 00:28:06,629 --> 00:28:03,669 postcards and restaurants and so on and 645 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:06,639 so we immediately offshore so what's the 646 00:28:10,409 --> 00:28:08,769 story you know we got all excited and we 647 00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:10,419 did an interview with them right there 648 00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,669 basically these guys were interesting 649 00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:13,840 because there were some kind of 650 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:15,190 anthropology so they had good 651 00:28:20,669 --> 00:28:18,970 credentials and they also were doing I 652 00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,679 think they had some kind of contract to 653 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:23,200 do postcards also of the ruins and 654 00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:24,970 basically the story is that I think one 655 00:28:30,239 --> 00:28:28,389 tourist that had had gone lost and so 656 00:28:31,729 --> 00:28:30,249 this had happened like a few days before 657 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,739 we were there we would have been about 658 00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,480 1997 so they were search parties and 659 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:36,399 because as soon as you you know it's to 660 00:28:40,379 --> 00:28:38,710 cal basically in like most Mayan ruins 661 00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:40,389 there in the jungle right and that's why 662 00:28:43,649 --> 00:28:42,190 they were protected that's the great 663 00:28:45,509 --> 00:28:43,659 thing about the Mayan cities that were 664 00:28:47,549 --> 00:28:45,519 nearest fact by the Spanish or anything 665 00:28:49,499 --> 00:28:47,559 because this is from the old Maya 666 00:28:52,859 --> 00:28:49,509 civilization which had mysteriously 667 00:28:54,299 --> 00:28:52,869 collapsed around the Year 900 AD which 668 00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:54,309 to this day is one of the great 669 00:28:56,879 --> 00:28:56,409 ideological mysteries what happened to 670 00:28:59,249 --> 00:28:56,889 the Mayas 671 00:29:02,430 --> 00:28:59,259 I explored that in the article as well I 672 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:02,440 said the Mayans had gone through I mean 673 00:29:05,999 --> 00:29:04,330 assuming that 2012 is some kind of 674 00:29:07,739 --> 00:29:06,009 doomsday they know something about 675 00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:07,749 doomsday because they already had gone 676 00:29:10,979 --> 00:29:08,980 through to Doomsday's 677 00:29:13,409 --> 00:29:10,989 the first one is around the Year 900 678 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:13,419 where mysteriously the whole 679 00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:16,330 civilization of the Mayans collapse but 680 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,150 it doesn't collapse by any kind of 681 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:20,580 outside invasion that we know ask the 682 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,230 archaeologists do not know to this day 683 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:24,240 exactly what happened but somehow the 684 00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:26,850 socio political system collapse the 685 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,100 people didn't been perished but people 686 00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:31,200 were still there but they abandoned the 687 00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:33,540 cities and the whole you know ruling 688 00:29:39,370 --> 00:29:36,900 elite just basically collapse and there 689 00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:39,380 are theories that maybe there was a 690 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:41,910 ecological theories or whatever buddy 691 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:45,000 it is not known for sure so that would 692 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,310 be the first doomsday for the - the 693 00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:48,960 second one of course is the arrival of 694 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:50,700 the Spanish Cortes you know and 695 00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,010 especially Cortez 696 00:29:57,650 --> 00:29:55,620 lieutenant who's an epidural Alvarado 697 00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,660 who was a particularly cruel Spanish 698 00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:00,000 conquistador and he was the one that 699 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:02,460 conquered the Mayas that was the second 700 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:04,770 collapse of the Mayan civilization but 701 00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:06,810 basically that that's the story and also 702 00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:10,680 we do have to go back to the red I was 703 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:12,540 telling you the story of the society so 704 00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:15,450 basically these guys so as they were 705 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:17,220 looking for this to risen I guess they 706 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:20,220 eventually did find them they saw this 707 00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,310 ball of fire this this this luminous 708 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:25,860 ball basically flying over the jungle 709 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,230 and this guy was an anthropologist and 710 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:29,760 he said that yeah that was a fairly 711 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:33,390 common phenomenon over there and that 712 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:35,370 was the one time he personally saw it 713 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:37,290 but he said he also had talked to many 714 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:39,330 Indians and natives and people from the 715 00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:41,730 area and that they saw them all the time 716 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,460 and particularly by a big lake there and 717 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:46,320 they would see them coming in and out of 718 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:48,210 the lake and of course we had many other 719 00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:50,850 UFO cases like that but not with Mayan 720 00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:53,940 ruins and then I also mention in the 721 00:30:59,780 --> 00:30:56,460 article a photograph I was taken in the 722 00:31:02,120 --> 00:30:59,790 1990s where you see the famous temple of 723 00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:02,130 the inscriptions one of the classic 724 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,020 pyramids in there in the city of 725 00:31:09,290 --> 00:31:07,320 Palenque and there is a UFO on top of it 726 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:09,300 it's a pretty good picture and it sits 727 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:10,980 in that it's in that magazine actually 728 00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,170 we had already published that even 729 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:15,240 before in that section that we have 730 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:17,670 called the photo gallery that that was 731 00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:20,130 just published as a picture there but I 732 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:22,260 decided to use it again a little bit 733 00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:24,210 until still a little bit of the story 734 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:27,480 more in detail so basically there is a 735 00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:30,690 connection but but there is a lot of of 736 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:31,140 course 737 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:35,610 regardless of whatever interesting 738 00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,880 aspects of 2012 phenomenon has there is 739 00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:40,980 also a lot of nonsense and commercialism 740 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:44,040 and so on going on a few things Antonio 741 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:46,230 number one when you say Mount Mayon 742 00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:47,790 calendar of course you're talking about 743 00:31:56,420 --> 00:31:51,000 the famous Long Count calendar the my 744 00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:56,430 ahead yeah yeah in their article I do 745 00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,500 grow it a little bit in could be there 746 00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:01,080 is a sidebar where that explains briefly 747 00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:02,940 you know the different the different 748 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:05,550 calendars I know the Maya calendar is an 749 00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:08,730 extremely complicated subject first of 750 00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:11,400 all there were these two major calendars 751 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:12,990 you know they're this what we call the 752 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:16,650 civil calendar which is what very 753 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:19,320 similar to the one we use and then the 754 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:22,050 sacred calendar which was only 260 days 755 00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,080 and now the important day in not just in 756 00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:26,960 the Mayas but in all the Mesoamerican 757 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:30,420 civilizations it was the cycle of 52 758 00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:33,690 years because every every 52 years these 759 00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:36,120 two calendars would mesh with conside 760 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:38,070 with each other in fact if you have two 761 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:41,370 wheels right one has 100 365 days and 762 00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:44,250 the other hand 260 well every tear every 763 00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:47,280 52 day eight years they will they will 764 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:50,820 consign and so that was a sort of a 765 00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:53,370 renewal of creation and it was a big 766 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:55,980 deal in the Mayan not just my hat I was 767 00:33:00,280 --> 00:32:57,810 also celebrated by the Toltecs and the 768 00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:00,290 Aztecs by all the peoples of Mesoamerica 769 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,260 ensuring us Cortez himself I right 770 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:07,080 perhaps by coincidence or perhaps not 771 00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:09,090 the destiny I don't know but he did 772 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:11,640 arrive right on cue he arrived riding 773 00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:14,340 one of those 52 year cycles and of 774 00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:17,070 course he also used you know all these 775 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,470 prophecies that the ancient Americans 776 00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,840 had about the return of Quetzalcoatl the 777 00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,460 great mythical figure of Quetzalcoatl 778 00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:25,440 but he was more than a mythical figure 779 00:33:28,670 --> 00:33:27,150 there was also a historical figure 780 00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:28,680 called Quetzalcoatl 781 00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:31,020 well the antonio another quick question 782 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:34,340 here you know I've seen references to 783 00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:36,930 some sort of new knowledge that's come 784 00:33:40,910 --> 00:33:38,430 out that the claim that the Maya 785 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:40,920 actually left this planet and one went 786 00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:43,110 elsewhere I've never seen anything 787 00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:44,790 definitive in term 788 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:48,240 of any sort of academic interpretation 789 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,010 that would lend any credence to that 790 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:52,080 story but have you heard that that the 791 00:33:55,810 --> 00:33:54,570 ancient Mayans somehow we're in common 792 00:33:59,270 --> 00:33:55,820 yeah 793 00:34:03,230 --> 00:33:59,280 well the story that the Mayans left I 794 00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:03,240 think it came recently fairly recently 795 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:06,300 with regards to that documentary that is 796 00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:11,460 being made by that that guide Ruffo and 797 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:13,560 the other guy that the son of the actor 798 00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:16,770 the Hollywood actor rather son yeah I 799 00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:21,390 role Julia son I in a number of sort of 800 00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,270 part of their PR campaign and I'm not 801 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:26,760 sure were their documentaries going at 802 00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:28,200 this point you know wasn't that supposed 803 00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:31,110 to be already no no no it was never 804 00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:32,550 supposed to be out by now I was supposed 805 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:34,230 to be out by towards the end of the year 806 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:36,090 but initially they were supposed to 807 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:38,570 start filming back in November and I 808 00:34:42,919 --> 00:34:41,250 they had the permission apparently of 809 00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:42,929 the Mexican government and all that that 810 00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:44,940 I explained in the article as well that 811 00:34:49,610 --> 00:34:46,740 the Mexican government has jumped into 812 00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:49,620 the act but for very logical reasons and 813 00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:52,140 that make total sense and you don't need 814 00:34:57,110 --> 00:34:55,080 to invoke anything esoteric tourism to 815 00:35:00,260 --> 00:34:57,120 create you know I mean it's it's a big 816 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:00,270 source of income in Mexico and so they 817 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:04,730 in in 2011 the the President of Mexico 818 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:07,110 well they just had elections you know 819 00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,610 the one that was at that time I was 820 00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,320 still the president Mexico I launched 821 00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:12,900 this program called the Maya world 2012 822 00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:15,480 and because they they were explained 823 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:17,100 expecting you know a lot of tourists so 824 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:21,450 it's not a it includes exhibits working 825 00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:23,820 on infrastructure all kinds of things 826 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:27,630 and so it I would include you know 827 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:29,670 support like documentaries and things 828 00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,650 like that but obviously they might have 829 00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:33,480 didn't go anywhere that that's a 830 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:35,460 misnomer again you see that in a lot of 831 00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:39,810 articles and you know TV shows and 832 00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:41,220 things like that whenever they Meyers 833 00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:43,350 disappear they - didn't disappear 834 00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:46,680 neither in the Year 900 or or after the 835 00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,300 Spanish the other caught their 836 00:35:52,610 --> 00:35:50,940 civilization collapsed but that the 837 00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:52,620 people are still there they're still 838 00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:56,700 there to this day earlier show Antonio 839 00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,230 with 840 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:01,680 Chris's brother and some other people 841 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:04,410 involved in this Southwest tours they 842 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:05,730 were telling us of course what their 843 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:08,430 several million Mayans still around yeah 844 00:36:11,330 --> 00:36:10,770 yeah at least four million or something 845 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:11,340 like that 846 00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:13,890 now they they're not longer Cole Myers 847 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:15,750 when I was in Guatemala they told me 848 00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:17,310 that they were twins something like 849 00:36:22,070 --> 00:36:19,950 twenty four different ethnic groups 850 00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:22,080 that's how they call them the main one 851 00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:24,120 is called the mom and others have 852 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:27,060 various other names but basically 853 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:28,530 they're all descendants of the Myers 854 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:30,570 it's been so long now so many centuries 855 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,730 that their languages are slightly 856 00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:34,680 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listening to the 969 00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:08,280 parrot cast and it's as good as it gets 970 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:15,230 Antonio hone is making his second 971 00:41:20,090 --> 00:41:17,250 appearance on the power cast with Gina 972 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:20,100 and Chris exploring the mysteries of the 973 00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:23,730 Mayans the descendants who lived to this 974 00:41:28,610 --> 00:41:25,350 very day despite what you hear in the 975 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:28,620 media the Mayans are still here now 976 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:31,290 Antoniou more about the UFO connection 977 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:34,050 and part of it is here all right there 978 00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:36,750 have been UFO sightings over Mayan ruins 979 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:38,040 but there is there any reason to think 980 00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,290 that there's any significance to that 981 00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:42,900 well I I'd say there's some significance 982 00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:44,900 but perhaps there is another 983 00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:47,430 interpretation and that interpretation 984 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:50,220 would be that the ruins not just the 985 00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:52,650 Mayas but any kind of Asian ruin whether 986 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,590 it's in Egypt or in China or in Mexico 987 00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:57,900 they're based on certain knowledge that 988 00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:01,020 the ancients had that they build their 989 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:03,840 temples in their important monuments in 990 00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:05,970 areas that we're dia magnetically 991 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:08,940 charged in other words maybe they knew 992 00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:10,050 something that we don't 993 00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:12,750 in our current because they were very 994 00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:14,550 much more connected you know to mother 995 00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:17,790 earth so and I think that's a valid 996 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:20,040 interpretation so they build this mana 997 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:22,770 and that's why when religion so when 998 00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:25,050 when places would be conquered they 999 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:26,340 would for instance with the Catholics 1000 00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:29,250 who conquered America whatever they 1001 00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:31,260 would build a church on the same place 1002 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:33,390 where the temple was they respected the 1003 00:42:38,060 --> 00:42:35,370 location they changed the name of the 1004 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:38,070 God but they maybe they felt that that 1005 00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:40,290 location was important so if you go 1006 00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:42,300 through that theory then these things 1007 00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,900 were built not at random but in specific 1008 00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:47,820 points where there was some kind of 1009 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,880 geomagnetic energy or some kind of earth 1010 00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:53,520 energy so therefore that I would include 1011 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:55,500 the appearance of lights and things like 1012 00:43:01,580 --> 00:42:55,890 that 1013 00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:01,590 because of the Mayas but because the 1014 00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:03,630 Mayas I knew where they build these 1015 00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:06,030 things they were high energy places and 1016 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:07,640 so therefore they would have you Jose 1017 00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:11,760 Antonio how would they sense this high 1018 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:15,200 energy would be something that just feel 1019 00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:18,710 maybe bites something there coolant to 1020 00:43:23,890 --> 00:43:21,560 dousing remember that all these cultures 1021 00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:23,900 also had shamans and the shamans weren't 1022 00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:26,390 in touch you know increase and probably 1023 00:43:30,250 --> 00:43:28,040 know this far better than I their 1024 00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:30,260 shamans whether there was something you 1025 00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,300 know many of them were of course also 1026 00:43:36,850 --> 00:43:34,640 using you know psychedelic drugs and so 1027 00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:36,860 on and they were in touch with other 1028 00:43:42,310 --> 00:43:39,230 entities and these entities don't have 1029 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:42,320 to be I mean in our culture any entity 1030 00:43:45,850 --> 00:43:43,850 we see that it has to be 1031 00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:45,860 extraterrestrial but that's just a 1032 00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:48,140 theory but week week certainly there are 1033 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:50,870 some kind of entities and maybe they've 1034 00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:52,370 been here for a long time 1035 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:53,540 we don't know I mean that's what we're 1036 00:43:58,780 --> 00:43:56,810 trying to find but I think that they had 1037 00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,790 some kind of knowledge and they probably 1038 00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:01,280 I don't pretty convinced regardless of 1039 00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,080 whether extraterrestrials James and 1040 00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:04,640 spaceships and things like that for 1041 00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,550 which the theory is not so solid but I 1042 00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:09,920 think it's much more solid that there 1043 00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:12,020 were certain people in the ancient world 1044 00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:14,390 and now specifically in this case and 1045 00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:17,630 the Mayans that by whatever rituals they 1046 00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,030 had or maybe with the use of psychedelic 1047 00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:22,400 drugs or whatever they would enter into 1048 00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:27,830 contact with non perfectly entities some 1049 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:31,520 kind of intelligences and and I think 1050 00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:34,010 that's and and you find that kind of 1051 00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,070 references throughout the folklore of 1052 00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:39,040 the of the ancient world 1053 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:42,550 dr. American a person that we both know 1054 00:44:49,330 --> 00:44:47,570 dr. JJ hurtak who like has I think two 1055 00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:49,340 or three doctorates and speaks I don't 1056 00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:51,950 know seven plus languages quite an 1057 00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,380 amazing academic he showed me a number 1058 00:45:00,970 --> 00:44:57,280 of years ago very interesting map of of 1059 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:00,980 southern Mexico and Central America and 1060 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:05,810 he had the main city sites and sacred 1061 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:08,570 sites delineated out on this map and 1062 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:10,130 then they were he had this very 1063 00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:13,370 interesting grid system of connecting 1064 00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:16,040 points that that remind me of ideas 1065 00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:20,720 cafes work and and some slack yeah yeah 1066 00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:23,180 you're right I think I think that may I 1067 00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:26,060 may even have that book it's an 1068 00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:27,500 interesting book I read it many years 1069 00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:28,760 ago in fact I mention 1070 00:45:33,730 --> 00:45:30,830 in their article on the 2012 in the 1071 00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:33,740 mayas it's the name of the book it's in 1072 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:35,480 Spanish of course but if you translate 1073 00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:39,050 it it would be UFOs and Mexican 1074 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:42,860 archeology and it was a book written by 1075 00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:46,490 two by two Mexican authors one is was 1076 00:45:51,310 --> 00:45:48,680 one of the beams of Mexican who follow 1077 00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:51,320 g-form our son his name was Pedro Feliz 1078 00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:55,550 is a very famous apologist and 1980 70s 1079 00:46:00,610 --> 00:45:58,070 and 80s in Mexico and the other one is a 1080 00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:00,620 guy called Chris consulate and they had 1081 00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:03,350 some initially some basic definitions 1082 00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:05,420 about ecology and all that but later a 1083 00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,220 great part of the book especially the 1084 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:09,920 part ridden by cyril gate was in a study 1085 00:46:15,570 --> 00:46:13,610 of the of these grids and I wouldn't be 1086 00:46:17,410 --> 00:46:15,580 surprised and maybe that map that 1087 00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:17,420 protects show you might have come from 1088 00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,820 that book because what this guy did is 1089 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:21,920 he put in the map all the different 1090 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:26,450 great Mexican ruins pyramids and then he 1091 00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:29,330 started like connecting them in and 1092 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:33,140 building like a geometry so I do that's 1093 00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:36,730 it that you can you can find that 1094 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:39,260 curious kind of correlation all around 1095 00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:41,330 the world it's a good sides correctly 1096 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:42,830 it's the same thing I was saying before 1097 00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,010 about about sacred sites it doesn't in 1098 00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:48,800 this particular article I deal with with 1099 00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:50,470 the ones in Mexico and Central America 1100 00:46:55,870 --> 00:46:53,480 but it applies just as well I think to 1101 00:46:57,610 --> 00:46:55,880 anything any ancient structure I'm 1102 00:46:59,350 --> 00:46:57,620 pretty convinced that David the ancients 1103 00:47:02,680 --> 00:46:59,360 knew something they could sense 1104 00:47:05,410 --> 00:47:02,690 something by whatever means they did it 1105 00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:05,420 and we might be able to dentally to get 1106 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:08,510 there too but knowing hard culture you 1107 00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:09,770 know we'll probably have to do it 1108 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:11,390 technologically you know we'll have to 1109 00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:13,490 come up with equipment that will prove 1110 00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:15,980 that there is some kind of to your 1111 00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:18,500 thermal energy geomagnetic energy or 1112 00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:20,180 something in these sites as opposed to 1113 00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:21,950 other sites another person that you 1114 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:24,680 mentioned in the article that I think 1115 00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:26,930 deserves mention here is Terence Mckenna 1116 00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,560 and his work with time wave zero he came 1117 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:33,680 up with a way to to graph novelty and 1118 00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:35,690 change as it ebbs and flows and culture 1119 00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:38,030 and it's actually a system that he felt 1120 00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:40,670 was even predictive and before our 1121 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:42,580 graves came out with a Mayan factor 1122 00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:46,090 and and you know put put a lot of focus 1123 00:47:55,110 --> 00:47:52,260 on this 2012 12 you know 12 21 2012 date 1124 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:55,120 Terence Mckenna came up with a very 1125 00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:56,890 interesting observation that that time 1126 00:48:02,670 --> 00:47:59,920 period would be we see the ushering in 1127 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:02,680 of an amazing amount of novelty and 1128 00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:05,410 change in to call into into the world 1129 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:08,380 and his date I think was towards the end 1130 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:10,330 of November and then after the Mayan 1131 00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:12,730 factor came out he kind of nudged it up 1132 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:14,620 into December if memory serves me 1133 00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:16,570 correct but this yeah what do you think 1134 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:17,830 of that what do you think of all these 1135 00:48:22,590 --> 00:48:20,770 uh predictions now that are coming out 1136 00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:22,600 and this this whole Hollywood take on 1137 00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:25,360 this yeah like I said I mean it is 1138 00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:26,980 started with these kind of visionary 1139 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:28,840 guys even though they were controversial 1140 00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:31,630 but nevertheless they were important you 1141 00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:33,310 would one could say philosophers you 1142 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:36,940 know I mean in certainly our greatest I 1143 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:38,410 would and I both of them I would 1144 00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:40,810 consider philosophers because I Gray is 1145 00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:42,340 one of the things that I like the most 1146 00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:44,080 of him especially towards the end of his 1147 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:46,150 life was in which wasn't his idea 1148 00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:48,970 actually that comes from from a famous 1149 00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:52,420 Russian scientist called vanity he 1150 00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:54,520 coined the term and also the the great 1151 00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,400 French Jesuit the philosopher peon de 1152 00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:00,160 Chardin and these guys came up with this 1153 00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:03,190 concept known as the newest fear okay we 1154 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:05,740 all familiar with the atmosphere and the 1155 00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:09,130 biosphere in the geosphere right they're 1156 00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:11,470 different grounds of the earth but 1157 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:13,390 normally people see them in terms very 1158 00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:14,770 scientifically right I mean the 1159 00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:17,590 geosphere and the magnetosphere you're 1160 00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:20,470 not just specific physical aspects of 1161 00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:24,100 our planet but they're nasty and the 1162 00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,900 yarders are done apparently 1163 00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:27,520 independently of each other though 1164 00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:29,830 Vernadsky had given a series of lectures 1165 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:32,260 of the Sorbonne University in the 1920s 1166 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:35,770 came up with this term and and which 1167 00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:38,170 like I said called a numeral sphere from 1168 00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:40,900 the Greek word news for mental or 1169 00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:43,000 consciousness in other words the mental 1170 00:49:49,590 --> 00:49:46,020 realm realm so whether we're saying is 1171 00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,600 in in addition to all the physical and 1172 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:52,480 biological spheres in our inner planet 1173 00:49:58,540 --> 00:49:55,250 and there is also a mental sphere 1174 00:50:00,640 --> 00:49:58,550 and which is the combination I guess of 1175 00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,650 all the consciousness that are alive in 1176 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:02,960 and probably those that work that were 1177 00:50:08,010 --> 00:50:05,090 alive do you know and you'll find at 1178 00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:08,020 least a similar concept in the ancient 1179 00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,390 especially in the Sanskrit tradition and 1180 00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:14,000 known as the Akashic records so maybe 1181 00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:16,040 there's little count it so for me that 1182 00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:17,240 that's one of the more interesting 1183 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:19,640 aspects of 2012 I I don't I don't 1184 00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:21,650 particularly go for the whole doomsday 1185 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:23,390 thing and all that and although we're 1186 00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:25,609 certainly in trouble at the clinic but I 1187 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:29,599 don't think you need to mic northeastern 1188 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:31,130 United States you're feeling a lot of 1189 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:34,490 trouble right now yeah sure but I think 1190 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:37,250 there is a there is a also the 1191 00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:39,250 possibility you know the option that 1192 00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:41,390 maybe something good will come out of 1193 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:45,140 this and we'll we'll get people to jump 1194 00:50:48,339 --> 00:50:47,090 in to another level of consciousness I 1195 00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:48,349 think that's the most interesting 1196 00:50:53,770 --> 00:50:51,080 aspects of the 2012 which was initially 1197 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:53,780 you know outlined by people like argue 1198 00:50:58,210 --> 00:50:56,570 areas and McKenna nowadays I think 1199 00:51:01,900 --> 00:50:58,220 there's a lot of people that had jumped 1200 00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:01,910 into the bandwagon with 2012 probably 1201 00:51:05,650 --> 00:51:04,310 some of them are sincere and some less 1202 00:51:09,099 --> 00:51:05,660 you know and they're just trying to make 1203 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:09,109 it up so basically right now for 2012 1204 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:12,290 it's the in thing to get part of the 1205 00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,330 bandwagon but if nothing happens through 1206 00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,640 the year other than what we normally 1207 00:51:22,270 --> 00:51:19,520 expect nothing really strange run toward 1208 00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:22,280 then we could look for another year and 1209 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:24,470 another possibility we have a Antonio 1210 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:27,170 Reyes and we'll have a lot more coming 1211 00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:28,730 with gene and Chris because you're in 1212 00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:31,160 the para cast 1213 00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:41,839 the GZ and Radio Network providing the 1214 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:45,030 world with hard-hitting talk radio G C 1215 00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,770 and great talk radio starts here hi this 1216 00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:51,480 is Ted Anderson if you'd like to listen 1217 00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:53,940 to GCN programs on the go I have great 1218 00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:56,550 news gzn has created 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00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,990 live viable beneficial microbes to 1247 00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,240 cleanse and remove toxins order pro-am 1248 00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:32,220 one daily probiotic cleanse at Tarragona 1249 00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:37,619 calm spelt te RA gan IX calm Tarragona 1250 00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,359 calm or call toll-free 866 3 6 9 3 6 7 8 1251 00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:44,339 that's eight six six three six nine 1252 00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:47,400 three six seven eight pro-am one 1253 00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:49,790 raw probiotic 1254 00:54:03,220 --> 00:53:58,910 welcome back to the para cast the gold 1255 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:03,230 standard of paranormal radio and now 1256 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:10,170 here's James Steinberg with gene and 1257 00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:12,090 Chris we have Antonio who næss who 1258 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:14,070 studies the past the present and maybe 1259 00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:16,410 the future in UFOs and related mysteries 1260 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:18,270 so that's an interesting thing that just 1261 00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,370 dropped into my head from nowhere 1262 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:22,800 Antonio do you think if nothing happens 1263 00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:25,770 in 2012 beyond whatever stuff is 1264 00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:28,560 happening we'll start looking for 2015 1265 00:54:35,570 --> 00:54:31,140 or 2020 to bring some mystery yeah is 1266 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:35,580 there another all the theories about 1267 00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:41,130 2000 and if you were selling upgrades to 1268 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,470 people's computers to be compatible with 1269 00:54:48,020 --> 00:54:45,960 2000 you made a lot of money so the 1270 00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:48,030 question is here when is the next 1271 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:52,100 deadline if 2012 doesn't make it well 1272 00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:55,050 there's some there's some books on the 1273 00:55:00,020 --> 00:54:57,660 nya thing that are ready clever enough 1274 00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:00,030 that they're pushing the date of 2013 1275 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:02,070 which meetings have taken they can keep 1276 00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:03,570 their book on the shelves you know for 1277 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:06,150 another year because I could say if 1278 00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:08,130 nothing happens and there's something 1279 00:55:12,980 --> 00:55:10,440 like 60 books by now it's not more not 1280 00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,990 you know nothing momentous happens yeah 1281 00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:14,640 those books are gonna be downgraded to a 1282 00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:17,430 buck apiece you know but if you have it 1283 00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:20,460 in 2013 in the in the title and there's 1284 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:22,200 a couple that did that you bought 1285 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:24,570 another year insurance there but the 1286 00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,090 thing is I can't think of any other sort 1287 00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:30,480 of religious or cultural bait there's 1288 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:32,550 really gonna come up with something yeah 1289 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:35,370 the end of your calendar I think is 2018 1290 00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:37,290 in a the end of the Kali Yuga I think is 1291 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:40,440 around 2020 isn't it okay well Kali Yuga 1292 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,410 that would be a big yeah it's gonna 1293 00:55:49,340 --> 00:55:45,960 happen 2012 it's it's gonna be what you 1294 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:49,350 know why 2 0 1 2 K everybody's the media 1295 00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:51,210 is gonna go crazy in November December 1296 00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:53,700 there's gonna be a countdown you know of 1297 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:55,020 course a few little things will happen 1298 00:55:59,900 --> 00:55:57,450 people will get all nervous and then you 1299 00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,910 know December 22nd hold on and everybody 1300 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:01,380 will bring breathe a big sigh of relief 1301 00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,450 and then all hell's gonna break loose in 1302 00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:05,460 2030 exactly then maybe eight months 1303 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:06,240 later 1304 00:56:09,859 --> 00:56:07,770 I mean even even there was all 1305 00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:09,869 expectation about 2,000 right at the 1306 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:11,670 Millennium right nothing happened really 1307 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:13,530 on the Millennium but yet then a year 1308 00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,770 later we have the you know 9/11 and that 1309 00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:18,660 changed things forever yep 1310 00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:20,339 self created the self-fulfilled prophecy 1311 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:23,220 where we're programming or our futures 1312 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:25,290 based on our or front-loading by the 1313 00:56:30,650 --> 00:56:28,650 media that's all fear-based and so we're 1314 00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:30,660 gonna take down the planet by our 1315 00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:33,660 collective unconscious could be but the 1316 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:35,460 the trick would be to jump from the 1317 00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:37,530 unconscious to the conscious because 1318 00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,630 they're unconscious we they're already 1319 00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:42,000 better well that's what these guys were 1320 00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,220 we're talking about Aquarius and in 1321 00:56:48,260 --> 00:56:46,020 companies you know they were they were 1322 00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:48,270 saying it from the days of harmonic 1323 00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:50,460 convergence really I mean that was the 1324 00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:52,380 beginning even though I couldn't even 1325 00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:54,900 find a specific reference to 2012 even 1326 00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,050 on on a Mayan factor but certainly he it 1327 00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,180 was all about the calendar and he was to 1328 00:57:04,579 --> 00:57:02,640 insert like your own consciousness into 1329 00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:04,589 it right to kind of live because 1330 00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:07,080 remember I was even even adapted the 1331 00:57:10,849 --> 00:57:09,150 calendar for for current use in which 1332 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:10,859 and he had some kind of like my 1333 00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:13,650 astrology or something and I mean you 1334 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:15,780 well he was really great and everything 1335 00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,730 yeah he was really caught up caught up 1336 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:20,400 in the the whole moon cycle the 13 month 1337 00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,770 to go back to a more natural calendar 1338 00:57:28,339 --> 00:57:25,140 that the Gregorian calendar kind of 1339 00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:28,349 forces everybody to live in a it's not a 1340 00:57:34,460 --> 00:57:31,710 an idyllic cycle for us and then he was 1341 00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,470 really a proponent of the 13 month 1342 00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:37,440 I think 28 moon cycle yeah so he had a 1343 00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:39,480 problem you remember with the quartz 1344 00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,630 watches too he didn't like those he said 1345 00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:44,640 that I forgot what was his explanation 1346 00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:46,680 but he liked like the old-fashioned 1347 00:57:50,839 --> 00:57:48,630 clocks he said there was something about 1348 00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:50,849 the modern clocks that would screw 1349 00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:52,680 things up too but um 1350 00:57:56,780 --> 00:57:54,540 countless coming up I had you know I 1351 00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,790 mean I read a long time ago so I maybe 1352 00:58:00,800 --> 00:57:58,500 I'm not quoting him correctly but there 1353 00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:00,810 was something to that effect - yeah but 1354 00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:02,760 yeah I think he had a point there you 1355 00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,310 know that regard me I'm going to go as 1356 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:07,920 far as of course whatever but that we do 1357 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:10,410 live in a kind of an unnatural society 1358 00:58:14,510 --> 00:58:12,210 yeah you come if we compared to what 1359 00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:14,520 traditional cultures right yeah it 1360 00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:16,910 doesn't it doesn't really accurately 1361 00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:19,980 reflect the sick Euler nature 1362 00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,400 of human existence according to some you 1363 00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:26,640 know more indigenous systems of clinical 1364 00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:28,619 systems the Maya had many calendars they 1365 00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:35,099 had calendars for Venus for the yeah for 1366 00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:37,140 human gestation there were a bunch of 1367 00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:38,339 different calendars and the way they all 1368 00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:41,609 interlock was just beyond ingenious was 1369 00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,819 quite oh yeah yeah it's a marvel it's 1370 00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:46,559 certainly a marvel of the ancient world 1371 00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,750 and the thing about the Maya stools that 1372 00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:51,359 they were such precise observers of the 1373 00:58:56,029 --> 00:58:54,089 sky and this had led some ancient 1374 00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:56,039 astronaut proponents to you know what 1375 00:58:59,599 --> 00:58:58,200 was their fascination with astronomy and 1376 00:59:01,339 --> 00:58:59,609 why did they even though they didn't 1377 00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,349 have any kind of telescopes but they did 1378 00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,119 have observatories and there's the 1379 00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:06,000 famous one in it catechol right in one 1380 00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:07,710 of the Mayan ruins I forgot which one I 1381 00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:10,740 think is teaching Itza and it even looks 1382 00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:15,299 like a modern observatory yeah it's it's 1383 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:16,920 one of the only blind buildings it's 1384 00:59:20,569 --> 00:59:18,930 built in the round well this is a good 1385 00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:20,579 opportunity for me to do some shameless 1386 00:59:26,420 --> 00:59:23,880 self-promotion I will be leading a trip 1387 00:59:28,819 --> 00:59:26,430 down to Palenque during the time period 1388 00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:28,829 that Terence Mckenna identified as being 1389 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:32,880 very important time for the introduction 1390 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:35,250 of novelty and change into into reality 1391 00:59:40,279 --> 00:59:38,730 so clifford mahooty my Zuni older friend 1392 00:59:42,499 --> 00:59:40,289 and I will be leading a trip down to 1393 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:42,509 Palenque if anybody's interested talk to 1394 00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:45,210 me after class okay the shameless block 1395 00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:47,460 has now been given and by the way we're 1396 00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:49,859 going to collect a check before you 1397 00:59:53,029 --> 00:59:52,140 leave this room oh cool I get a check 1398 00:59:55,069 --> 00:59:53,039 excellent 1399 00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:55,079 now we're gonna collect one from you for 1400 01:00:02,299 --> 00:59:58,740 the advertising put it on my tab Oh your 1401 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:02,309 tab will never collect on because we 1402 01:00:05,660 --> 01:00:04,410 think Chris is a nice guy oh cool 1403 01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:05,670 well you got to come down Jean I'll 1404 01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:09,750 think about it get a shoehorn to get you 1405 01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:11,460 out of here you're officer I never leave 1406 01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:13,079 this office you're right I mean you've 1407 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:14,670 been down here we'll go out for lunch or 1408 01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:17,130 something yeah that's about it you know 1409 01:00:21,499 --> 01:00:19,710 I think you're like like Cinderella if 1410 01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:21,509 you go out past a certain time you turn 1411 01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:23,880 into a pumpkin or a werewolf 1412 01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:25,980 yeah well that's only the nights of the 1413 01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:27,960 full moon you know even the man who was 1414 01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:29,880 pure in heart and says his prayers by 1415 01:00:34,089 --> 01:00:32,180 night may become 1416 01:00:36,250 --> 01:00:34,099 when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn 1417 01:00:39,220 --> 01:00:36,260 moon is bright no money 1418 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:39,230 well yeah really I'm impressed there uh 1419 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:43,130 was that PO or something or no le the 1420 01:00:51,549 --> 01:00:48,770 Wolfman 1941 okay lon chaney yes I'm 1421 01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:51,559 Jimmy jr. actually Oh jr. yeah that's 1422 01:00:57,210 --> 01:00:53,990 right not the original he died like 1930 1423 01:00:59,859 --> 01:00:57,220 or something like that well Antonio uh 1424 01:01:01,299 --> 01:00:59,869 there's another subject I think we've 1425 01:01:02,740 --> 01:01:01,309 kind of beat the Mayan thing a little 1426 01:01:04,839 --> 01:01:02,750 bit into the ground 1427 01:01:09,609 --> 01:01:04,849 excuse me sounds beating into the ground 1428 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:09,619 oh yeah so what else you want to discuss 1429 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:12,170 with you we could go on for days oh yeah 1430 01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,690 yeah yeah especially I'm doing more and 1431 01:01:18,910 --> 01:01:16,880 more historical stuff now you know yes I 1432 01:01:21,579 --> 01:01:18,920 always loved history and and I think 1433 01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:21,589 it's so important on any subject I mean 1434 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:23,420 not just your voter I mean why not at 1435 01:01:27,849 --> 01:01:25,609 once yeah in order to really give it 1436 01:01:29,620 --> 01:01:27,859 proper opinion about any subject you 1437 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:29,630 have to know the history of that 1438 01:01:34,299 --> 01:01:31,970 particular subject and unfortunately a 1439 01:01:35,980 --> 01:01:34,309 lot of people don't and they just come 1440 01:01:37,870 --> 01:01:35,990 up with any kind of opinion or theories 1441 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:37,880 but you know often they don't even know 1442 01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:40,010 anything about the history well you and 1443 01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:41,270 I had a really interesting conversation 1444 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:44,150 last year you were pretty excited about 1445 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:46,930 what you considered to be pretty good 1446 01:01:51,849 --> 01:01:49,250 smoking gun type evidence of 1447 01:01:53,859 --> 01:01:51,859 pre-columbian abduction accounts from 1448 01:01:59,319 --> 01:01:53,869 Mesoamerica do you want to spend a 1449 01:02:01,780 --> 01:01:59,329 little time and talk about that yeah 1450 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:01,790 this is a case ie that was kind of one 1451 01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:03,770 of my in fact I probably should put that 1452 01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:05,480 article on the web because that was 1453 01:02:10,059 --> 01:02:08,030 published on issue number two which is 1454 01:02:11,799 --> 01:02:10,069 out of print so because you know that 1455 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:11,809 was early on in our magazine so we 1456 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:13,609 didn't have enough copies I guess people 1457 01:02:17,530 --> 01:02:15,290 can still get probably an electronic 1458 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:17,540 version of it but I will probably put it 1459 01:02:20,650 --> 01:02:19,010 on the web that particular article 1460 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:20,660 because then it even has a lot of 1461 01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:22,730 interesting parallels to what we're 1462 01:02:28,059 --> 01:02:25,040 discussing and this article was 1463 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:28,069 basically a discussion of a series of 1464 01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:31,490 almonds celestial almonds what we could 1465 01:02:36,819 --> 01:02:33,829 they would call a UFO waste that took 1466 01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:36,829 place in Mexico in the first 15 or 20 1467 01:02:40,510 --> 01:02:39,230 years of the 16th century right before 1468 01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,520 the arrival of Cortes 1469 01:02:45,069 --> 01:02:42,799 like if something was preparing and it's 1470 01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:45,079 mentioned in every single Chronicle 1471 01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:45,660 so there 1472 01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:47,910 no question that something happened now 1473 01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:50,339 it's possible that like any UFO case you 1474 01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,900 know some of these had natural 1475 01:02:55,819 --> 01:02:53,760 explanations might have been a comment 1476 01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:55,829 or whatever in fact we we published in 1477 01:03:00,680 --> 01:02:58,559 the article a famous word print of the 1478 01:03:03,470 --> 01:03:00,690 from the one of the classic books about 1479 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:03,480 the ancient Mexico by friar David and 1480 01:03:09,859 --> 01:03:06,809 we're in the colonial days most of them 1481 01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:09,869 not the books written about the nation 1482 01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:12,660 Mexico and how as well as Peru were 1483 01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:14,910 written by priests because what happened 1484 01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:16,799 is as soon as the Spanish conquered the 1485 01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:18,990 the new lands one was to exploit them 1486 01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,910 that the other one was to save their 1487 01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,039 souls right well there was a fascinating 1488 01:03:28,279 --> 01:03:25,920 debate actually at the at the Spanish 1489 01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:28,289 Court right after the discovery of 1490 01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,390 America as to whether the Indians had 1491 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:31,920 souls or not I'll tell you 1492 01:03:34,819 --> 01:03:34,410 discrimination takes all shapes and 1493 01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:34,829 forms 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1591 01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:00,340 cast com that's news at the para cast 1592 01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:02,860 calm and don't forget to visit our 1593 01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:05,320 famous para cast community forums at 1594 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:10,240 forum dot the para cast calm when you 1595 01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:12,130 start and tell me oh he never stops 1596 01:08:16,230 --> 01:08:14,110 because he's got so many fascinating 1597 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:16,240 stories to tell on the para cast will 1598 01:08:21,059 --> 01:08:18,250 continue with Antonio who næss he's one 1599 01:08:23,670 --> 01:08:21,069 of the editors at open minds magazine 1600 01:08:26,220 --> 01:08:23,680 and he's been around the UFO and power 1601 01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:26,230 normal fields for hundreds of thousands 1602 01:08:36,329 --> 01:08:34,450 of years right funny you started a bit 1603 01:08:38,579 --> 01:08:36,339 of a presentation before we broke and 1604 01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:38,589 let's kind of pick up on that yes so yes 1605 01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:40,450 I was talking about this debate that 1606 01:08:44,910 --> 01:08:43,089 took place at the Spanish corridor at 1607 01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:44,920 the University I gotta leave me that 1608 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:47,980 forgot exactly what it was her Souls 1609 01:08:53,309 --> 01:08:50,770 right yeah because it was the first 1610 01:08:54,599 --> 01:08:53,319 debate on human rights basically you 1611 01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:54,609 know I mean they here they had 1612 01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:56,710 discovered this huge land which 1613 01:09:00,660 --> 01:08:58,690 initially Columbus study was the Asia 1614 01:09:03,809 --> 01:09:00,670 right but then after shortly thereafter 1615 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:03,819 they realized it was in Asia and then so 1616 01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:05,290 what what do they do with these people 1617 01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:07,089 you know for most of the people in the 1618 01:09:10,829 --> 01:09:08,950 crown or whatever the only one it was 1619 01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:10,839 gold and exploit them or whatever but 1620 01:09:16,110 --> 01:09:13,420 there was some priests that had were you 1621 01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:16,120 know there were more whatever you know 1622 01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:18,790 more human I guess and they they realize 1623 01:09:20,829 --> 01:09:20,350 that they it's like a lot of the priests 1624 01:09:23,379 --> 01:09:20,839 became 1625 01:09:25,149 --> 01:09:23,389 defenders of the Indians so I could 1626 01:09:26,769 --> 01:09:25,159 begin that's why because they had to 1627 01:09:29,019 --> 01:09:26,779 learn the language once the 1628 01:09:31,660 --> 01:09:29,029 determination on the Spanish crown was 1629 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:31,670 that the Indians had souls so therefore 1630 01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:33,409 they had to be pretty nice you know 1631 01:09:37,089 --> 01:09:35,239 bringing to the into the new religion 1632 01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:37,099 into the true religion as opposed to the 1633 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:39,409 satanic religion that they had right and 1634 01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,330 maybe this even the Spanish at a point 1635 01:09:45,879 --> 01:09:43,279 when they saw their the gruesome human 1636 01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:45,889 sacrifice of the aspects you know hey 1637 01:09:51,129 --> 01:09:48,710 this is the devil man who else you know 1638 01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:51,139 opening people's chests and taking a 1639 01:09:54,669 --> 01:09:52,940 propagating heart and stuff like that I 1640 01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:54,679 mean that was pretty gruesome that 1641 01:09:59,290 --> 01:09:57,199 sounds like an Indiana Jones movie right 1642 01:10:00,879 --> 01:09:59,300 they were they they activated for for 1643 01:10:02,589 --> 01:10:00,889 real you know and with thousands of 1644 01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:02,599 people they aspects had even set up a 1645 01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:05,480 system where they didn't want to conquer 1646 01:10:09,490 --> 01:10:07,550 these other kingdoms and instead they 1647 01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,500 had a blood packs that's why a lot of 1648 01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:11,360 these tribes actually supported the 1649 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:12,920 Spanish because they had this horrible 1650 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:15,770 system and other aspects were they they 1651 01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:17,770 was kind of having sort of 1652 01:10:22,089 --> 01:10:19,880 self-government but then they had to 1653 01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,099 supply where there were five hundred 1654 01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:24,320 young kids you know every year or 1655 01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:27,440 whatever - for the human sacrifice so it 1656 01:10:31,959 --> 01:10:29,510 was determined that now you had to give 1657 01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,969 it a true religion - true and quotation 1658 01:10:35,589 --> 01:10:34,159 marks to the Indians so they send all 1659 01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:35,599 these missionaries there were mostly 1660 01:10:39,370 --> 01:10:37,670 Franciscans initially for insistence 1661 01:10:41,859 --> 01:10:39,380 later there were also Dominicans and 1662 01:10:44,410 --> 01:10:41,869 other other priests and these people 1663 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:44,420 learn the language in order to properly 1664 01:10:49,209 --> 01:10:47,330 evangelize right the natives but as they 1665 01:10:51,339 --> 01:10:49,219 learn the language then they also got 1666 01:10:53,589 --> 01:10:51,349 exposed to their culture and then they 1667 01:10:55,450 --> 01:10:53,599 then they talk to a lot of elders at a 1668 01:10:57,729 --> 01:10:55,460 time when these elders had lived under 1669 01:11:00,490 --> 01:10:57,739 independent kingdoms right not under the 1670 01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:00,500 Spanish so that's how really the first 1671 01:11:03,939 --> 01:11:02,449 important Spanish chronicles were 1672 01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:03,949 written a couple were written by 1673 01:11:07,839 --> 01:11:06,110 soldiers like Bernal Diaz del Castillo 1674 01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:07,849 but most of them were written by priests 1675 01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:10,369 and the most famous of all the priests 1676 01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,070 was Saha goon bernardino asahi goon who 1677 01:11:17,709 --> 01:11:15,679 is considered in current days as the 1678 01:11:20,290 --> 01:11:17,719 father of Mesoamerican anthropology 1679 01:11:22,629 --> 01:11:20,300 because he wrote a massive book which 1680 01:11:26,169 --> 01:11:22,639 wasn't even published until the 1820s 1681 01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:26,179 where he examined every aspect of of the 1682 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:29,480 ancient Mexican civilization here that 1683 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:31,610 wasn't because they wanted to deprive 1684 01:11:34,110 --> 01:11:33,770 him of his royalties so they waited till 1685 01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:34,120 he was 1686 01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:36,280 dead no well no basically it was a 1687 01:11:40,860 --> 01:11:38,500 priest so he wasn't doing commercially 1688 01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:40,870 he sent the papers to whatever to his 1689 01:11:46,350 --> 01:11:44,230 order in Spain or to some archive and it 1690 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:46,360 just and then eventually in the 1820 1691 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:48,130 someone discovered and he was finally 1692 01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:51,370 published and now it's highly regarded 1693 01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:53,260 that book because it has in and of 1694 01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:54,640 course in that book there is a chapter 1695 01:11:59,850 --> 01:11:57,370 about the omens as well which I 1696 01:12:02,760 --> 01:11:59,860 discussed in my article and then there 1697 01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:02,770 was the other priest who was Diego godín 1698 01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:06,310 who came to Mexico both of these priests 1699 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:09,550 came to Mexico around the 1550s so very 1700 01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,250 early under the conquest and do Dan 1701 01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:14,800 wrote a very famous history two of the 1702 01:12:21,150 --> 01:12:18,400 ancient Mexicans and in this book he has 1703 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:21,160 this strange account of what today we 1704 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:23,170 would call an abduction it was basically 1705 01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:26,050 a peasant who was abducted by an ego but 1706 01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:29,110 he was a talking ego and as we know egos 1707 01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:32,680 don't talk you know so something 1708 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:34,720 happened I'm just it's it's actually 1709 01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:37,330 much more fascinating than that the guy 1710 01:12:44,460 --> 01:12:40,540 claims as the story was was told by Iran 1711 01:12:45,690 --> 01:12:44,470 and that he was in the fields tending 1712 01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:45,700 the fields or whatever was just a 1713 01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:48,880 peasant and then he gets taken by this 1714 01:12:53,730 --> 01:12:51,310 Eagle and then the Eagle takes him to 1715 01:12:56,670 --> 01:12:53,740 some cave somewhere and then talks to 1716 01:12:59,580 --> 01:12:56,680 him and then they tell him that he has 1717 01:13:03,120 --> 01:12:59,590 to appear to the emperor Moctezuma and 1718 01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:03,130 given this sort of warning that unless 1719 01:13:09,630 --> 01:13:05,860 he humbles himself or whatever he is you 1720 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:09,640 know his game is up basically so next in 1721 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:11,530 this kind of vision because as far as we 1722 01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:14,050 know he never physically left this cave 1723 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:16,870 he appears in a room and when there's 1724 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:19,330 Montezuma who's kind of sleeping and 1725 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:21,370 then he takes kind of a cigar as you 1726 01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:23,290 know the Indians invented tobacco right 1727 01:13:27,570 --> 01:13:25,510 also among other things but they used it 1728 01:13:30,990 --> 01:13:27,580 for different purposes that we do and 1729 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:31,000 then with this cigar burns him on the 1730 01:13:35,610 --> 01:13:33,010 thigh I get under the instructions of 1731 01:13:38,700 --> 01:13:35,620 this Eagle or whatever so burns 1732 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:38,710 him on the side and the next he is taken 1733 01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,570 by the Eagle again and he's back in the 1734 01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:42,880 field for in his village they tell him 1735 01:13:47,170 --> 01:13:45,670 that on the next day then he has to the 1736 01:13:48,730 --> 01:13:47,180 king as king 1737 01:13:51,610 --> 01:13:48,740 often been in those days you would 1738 01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:51,620 receive right the people in in and the 1739 01:13:55,780 --> 01:13:53,420 people come with problems and you would 1740 01:13:57,370 --> 01:13:55,790 act as a judge or whatever so sure 1741 01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:57,380 enough they're there the poor guy shows 1742 01:14:01,480 --> 01:13:59,090 up on the next day and he meets 1743 01:14:04,420 --> 01:14:01,490 Montezuma and tells him the story and 1744 01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:04,430 then Montezuma says yes I had a dream in 1745 01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:07,520 which someone burned my thigh and sure 1746 01:14:11,770 --> 01:14:09,470 enough his side had an with it was a 1747 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:11,780 wound there so then he got angry with a 1748 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:13,970 poor guy and they throw him in jail and 1749 01:14:17,890 --> 01:14:16,130 that's the end even though the Eagle had 1750 01:14:20,290 --> 01:14:17,900 told them this is interesting because 1751 01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:20,300 often in a year of abductions you know 1752 01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,490 they so-called alien still they have to 1753 01:14:27,790 --> 01:14:24,800 keep something and then things turn out 1754 01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:27,800 differently so the same here the talking 1755 01:14:31,390 --> 01:14:29,630 eagle has told the Indian don't worry 1756 01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:31,400 nothing's gonna happen to you don't fear 1757 01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:33,560 don't fear you go see the Emperor and 1758 01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:35,060 tell them what you but what I told you 1759 01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:37,310 but sure enough according to granny 1760 01:14:40,930 --> 01:14:39,350 anyway he goes thrown into jail and 1761 01:14:43,450 --> 01:14:40,940 that's it that's the last we heard of it 1762 01:14:46,210 --> 01:14:43,460 all important what's fascinating the 1763 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:46,220 moral don't burn the King on the side 1764 01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:48,290 you know maybe leave some lipstick or 1765 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:49,760 something but don't burn him on the 1766 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:51,530 thought right but what's fascinating 1767 01:14:56,590 --> 01:14:54,410 there is a church in Mexico City from 1768 01:14:59,050 --> 01:14:56,600 the 17th century I don't have the 1769 01:15:01,060 --> 01:14:59,060 article with me here but a suicide for 1770 01:15:03,250 --> 01:15:01,070 God's been named right now it's funny 1771 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:03,260 nasty or something like that I can look 1772 01:15:08,530 --> 01:15:05,570 it up and in this church there is a 1773 01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:08,540 stone monument of different aspects of 1774 01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:10,130 the history of Mexico whatever and this 1775 01:15:14,710 --> 01:15:12,590 is from the Baroque period 1600s and 1776 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:14,720 sure enough the end we published the 1777 01:15:18,670 --> 01:15:16,370 picture and the article which I took 1778 01:15:20,590 --> 01:15:18,680 myself there is the story of the other 1779 01:15:22,450 --> 01:15:20,600 person being taken by the eagle 1780 01:15:26,230 --> 01:15:22,460 so that appears in an actually stone 1781 01:15:28,030 --> 01:15:26,240 monument in a church in the 1600s so it 1782 01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:28,040 must have been a fairly important place 1783 01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,710 for it to make it to a stone monument in 1784 01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:33,040 a prominent Church there's been a lot of 1785 01:15:36,850 --> 01:15:35,510 papers in publishing English I think I 1786 01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:36,860 was the first one as far as I know 1787 01:15:40,930 --> 01:15:39,080 there's been a lot of activity over the 1788 01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:40,940 years in Mexico it seems to be a hotbed 1789 01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:43,760 for UFO activity and in paranormal 1790 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:46,880 type reports and and it seems like that 1791 01:15:52,450 --> 01:15:49,730 that that kind of history of increased 1792 01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:52,460 amount of activity does tend to yeah 1793 01:15:57,460 --> 01:15:54,710 we're kind of getting hints that it may 1794 01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:57,470 have been going on before the arrival of 1795 01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:00,080 Europeans that's a really fascinating 1796 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:01,910 any other cases that you found in your 1797 01:16:08,260 --> 01:16:04,850 in your research that talked about UFO 1798 01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:08,270 type of phenomenon that that predate the 1799 01:16:14,530 --> 01:16:11,330 arrival of Europeans or from that 1415 1800 01:16:16,690 --> 01:16:14,540 century time period well one of the 1801 01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:16,700 things I mentioned in there in I did a 1802 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:19,310 web story in that too but I also in the 1803 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:21,890 open ninth dot TV website that I also 1804 01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:24,410 published it in them in the 2012 article 1805 01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:26,450 we have another story coming from 1806 01:16:29,950 --> 01:16:28,040 Antonio who næss then we're going to ask 1807 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:29,960 questions from our listeners with Jeanne 1808 01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:37,650 [Music] 1809 01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:39,880 America's number one source for 1810 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:43,280 independent talk radio for 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Antonio who næss who's about to tell us 1924 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:19,369 another story please ya know this was 1925 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:21,290 just mentioned because she is a very 1926 01:21:26,770 --> 01:21:24,290 important figure in Mexico she her name 1927 01:21:28,990 --> 01:21:26,780 is Guadalupe Rivera and she's the 1928 01:21:31,570 --> 01:21:29,000 daughter of the famous muralist Diego 1929 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:31,580 Rivera one of the great neuro painters 1930 01:21:36,490 --> 01:21:34,730 you know of modern art and the you know 1931 01:21:38,859 --> 01:21:36,500 the one that did all the famous murals 1932 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:38,869 in the presidential palace in Mexico 1933 01:21:43,209 --> 01:21:40,850 City which is like they appear in many 1934 01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,219 in many books and so on so she's the 1935 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:46,400 daughter of this guy and she was in 1936 01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:48,650 ambassador to the United Nations Food 1937 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:51,170 and Drug Administration and she was also 1938 01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:54,170 a senator and I think she was the 1939 01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:56,150 economic adviser to the presidency so 1940 01:21:59,979 --> 01:21:57,770 she's a woman with very important 1941 01:22:01,899 --> 01:21:59,989 credentials in Mexico besides being the 1942 01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:01,909 daughter of there one other most revered 1943 01:22:07,060 --> 01:22:04,670 artists she said that in during the 1944 01:22:10,060 --> 01:22:07,070 course of her duties in this would have 1945 01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:10,070 been probably in the 1970s she was 1946 01:22:14,379 --> 01:22:12,830 driving on a van and what in some part 1947 01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:14,389 of Mexico I don't I forgot the name 1948 01:22:18,879 --> 01:22:16,610 right now and they saw this ball of like 1949 01:22:22,359 --> 01:22:18,889 you're hovering right on top of their 1950 01:22:24,189 --> 01:22:22,369 van and as a result of this they led her 1951 01:22:25,959 --> 01:22:24,199 to become interested in the UFO 1952 01:22:28,270 --> 01:22:25,969 phenomenon and she kind of became an 1953 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:28,280 apologist you know for a woman for those 1954 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:32,210 kinds of credentials and yeah her main 1955 01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,330 thing was that there had been contact in 1956 01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:36,960 ancient Mexico in the nation 1957 01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,790 Mexico one time I'd been an extremely 1958 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:41,120 important point in human history because 1959 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:43,530 they were in contact with people from 1960 01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:45,930 space and they gained knowledge and so 1961 01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,060 on but then then somehow they lost it 1962 01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:49,920 and as a result you know then they got 1963 01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:51,780 conquered by the Spanish and so on and 1964 01:22:55,570 --> 01:22:52,410 so forth 1965 01:22:58,670 --> 01:22:55,580 and then finally I think it was in 2010 1966 01:23:01,040 --> 01:22:58,680 she published a book which I mean read 1967 01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:01,050 but I did read some accounts of it in 1968 01:23:06,020 --> 01:23:03,780 some excerpts about all this type of 1969 01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,030 phenomenon but she wrote it as a novel 1970 01:23:10,459 --> 01:23:07,920 because in all I guess gives you more 1971 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:10,469 flexibility and it's supposed to be a 1972 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:13,770 trilogy but as in the name of the book 1973 01:23:18,380 --> 01:23:16,530 was the circle of the gods but has not 1974 01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,390 been translated to English as far as I 1975 01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:20,880 know Chris let's just move the 1976 01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:22,230 discussion here because there's a lot to 1977 01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:24,300 talk about you have been collecting a 1978 01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:26,100 few questions from our forums at forum 1979 01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:28,620 dr. Peric ascom you want to bring some 1980 01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:31,739 of those okay there's a couple here that 1981 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:33,510 might be good because they're more 1982 01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:35,090 general so we could start out with those 1983 01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:36,870 this comes from 1984 01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:39,960 VES v hi folk who's been a poster since 1985 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:44,280 May 2010 forum dr. Peric ascom 1986 01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:46,770 he says Antonio what case do you find as 1987 01:23:52,490 --> 01:23:50,130 best evidence of alien visitation is the 1988 01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:52,500 first of three questions oh boy kind of 1989 01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:53,040 a tough one 1990 01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:58,739 like there's so many you know I mean I 1991 01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:00,600 mean even after you rule all the bad 1992 01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:02,520 cases you're still going to end up with 1993 01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:04,710 a fantastic amount of source of good 1994 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:07,560 cases and this could be in the at least 1995 01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:12,570 in the hundreds of cases yeah well for 1996 01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:14,489 me rather than just the case where I've 1997 01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:16,380 always thought it was so fascinating was 1998 01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:18,750 that there were so many it was only one 1999 01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:20,580 you know okay maybe it's a dubious 2000 01:24:25,209 --> 01:24:23,100 phenomenon but you do have many now just 2001 01:24:28,340 --> 01:24:25,219 to give you a couple of examples and 2002 01:24:31,010 --> 01:24:28,350 this is one that I did and I did write 2003 01:24:34,580 --> 01:24:31,020 it in in in the magazine and open ninth 2004 01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:34,590 magazines a few issues ago and it's not 2005 01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:36,870 a well-known case but I find it so 2006 01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:39,510 convincing it's known as a Peterson Unga 2007 01:24:45,979 --> 01:24:43,050 close encounter of the third kind and I 2008 01:24:48,860 --> 01:24:45,989 basically happen in Brazil in 1969 and 2009 01:24:50,659 --> 01:24:48,870 there was this this city there not a big 2010 01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,669 city but not a small town either 2011 01:24:56,029 --> 01:24:53,280 and it was a very important air force 2012 01:25:00,080 --> 01:24:56,039 and Academy they're not there Academy 2013 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:00,090 for pilots but like for you know lesser 2014 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:02,010 officers in a number of other 2015 01:25:07,580 --> 01:25:04,530 installations and basically this 2016 01:25:09,949 --> 01:25:07,590 classical flying saucer hovered over the 2017 01:25:12,049 --> 01:25:09,959 town and this was at daytime in the 2018 01:25:16,129 --> 01:25:12,059 morning according to brazilian air force 2019 01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:16,139 documents it was seen by at least 500 2020 01:25:23,209 --> 01:25:20,340 people and it landed in an open field 2021 01:25:26,089 --> 01:25:23,219 and then there was a a fruit vendor and 2022 01:25:28,909 --> 01:25:26,099 and meanwhile as it landed it also cost 2023 01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:28,919 apparently the UFO Costas there was a 2024 01:25:33,589 --> 01:25:31,110 there was a power blackout and their 2025 01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:33,599 telephones stopped working those days of 2026 01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:36,239 course there were no cellphones and so 2027 01:25:42,049 --> 01:25:38,760 next as many people saw this phenomenon 2028 01:25:43,580 --> 01:25:42,059 but then there was a fruit vendor whose 2029 01:25:46,879 --> 01:25:43,590 name was Tiago Machado 2030 01:25:48,859 --> 01:25:46,889 he was a 19 year old kid at the time and 2031 01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:48,869 normally people would have freaked out 2032 01:25:54,109 --> 01:25:52,320 get on and move away from the object but 2033 01:25:56,389 --> 01:25:54,119 this guy was the opposite he he wanted 2034 01:25:58,159 --> 01:25:56,399 to be right there untie yourself sell 2035 01:26:01,129 --> 01:25:58,169 mangoes right 2036 01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:01,139 he once there were stairs towards the 2037 01:26:05,959 --> 01:26:03,239 object now this is not just a UFO 2038 01:26:09,409 --> 01:26:05,969 landing they do it for lands and then a 2039 01:26:11,779 --> 01:26:09,419 hatch opens and these beings come 2040 01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:11,789 floating out of it so that's the close 2041 01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:14,729 encounter of the third kind but as the 2042 01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:17,760 guy claims very close he seems like he 2043 01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,289 was gonna all the way to this to the 2044 01:26:25,009 --> 01:26:21,840 saucer so then one of the one of the 2045 01:26:27,109 --> 01:26:25,019 aliens or occupants shot him but not to 2046 01:26:29,179 --> 01:26:27,119 really kill him or anything shot him 2047 01:26:31,639 --> 01:26:29,189 with some kind of beam weapon at the 2048 01:26:34,219 --> 01:26:31,649 thigh but enough to knock him out and 2049 01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:34,229 then they went back into the UFO and the 2050 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:36,329 UFO tooth takes off 2051 01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:39,209 they take the kid to the infirmary then 2052 01:26:43,850 --> 01:26:41,639 he had a you know minor burns but 2053 01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:43,860 nevertheless so here we have a case 2054 01:26:49,009 --> 01:26:46,280 where you have at least three types of 2055 01:26:50,389 --> 01:26:49,019 close encounter of the second kind which 2056 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:50,399 according you know to the Hynek 2057 01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:52,050 terminologies those cases where you have 2058 01:26:58,879 --> 01:26:54,840 some kind of physical evidence so the 2059 01:27:00,739 --> 01:26:58,889 UFO landed any left grounds on the plane 2060 01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:00,749 you know traces trace marks on the 2061 01:27:04,370 --> 01:27:03,090 ground it was a lot of grass there so 2062 01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:04,380 you could really see 2063 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:07,920 this it was described as a barbell you 2064 01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:10,050 know used in athletic or whatever it was 2065 01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:12,270 so heavy you know that he had just in in 2066 01:27:16,220 --> 01:27:14,820 a tripod shape and we got the pictures 2067 01:27:17,540 --> 01:27:16,230 from the Brazilian Air Force that 2068 01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:17,550 because at that time they had an 2069 01:27:21,979 --> 01:27:19,860 official project called Salani which was 2070 01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:21,989 a sort of their equivalent of Bluebook 2071 01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:26,219 it's like more open-minded and so that's 2072 01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,710 one category for physical evidence then 2073 01:27:32,959 --> 01:27:30,719 you had the electromagnetic effect right 2074 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:32,969 I mean the whole town lost power the 2075 01:27:37,129 --> 01:27:35,130 telephones which again is associated 2076 01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:37,139 with some beautiful places and then 2077 01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:38,520 finally you have the physiological 2078 01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,480 effect this guy was burnt and you know 2079 01:27:46,939 --> 01:27:44,880 not seriously buddy but enough that he 2080 01:27:48,919 --> 01:27:46,949 was noticeable and this was the Air 2081 01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:48,929 Force interview the doctor that treated 2082 01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:52,020 him and everything so I mean what else 2083 01:27:57,169 --> 01:27:53,760 you want if you're skeptic I mean you 2084 01:27:59,660 --> 01:27:57,179 you have a case 500 witnesses physical 2085 01:28:01,580 --> 01:27:59,670 evidence on the ground physiological 2086 01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,590 evidence on the main witness who is the 2087 01:28:06,620 --> 01:28:03,440 closer to the scene possibly 2088 01:28:08,689 --> 01:28:06,630 electromagnetic evidence I said possibly 2089 01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:08,699 because I would be harder to prove but 2090 01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:11,310 nevertheless the timing from sites and 2091 01:28:15,770 --> 01:28:12,960 on top of that you have an official 2092 01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:15,780 investigation that that basically 2093 01:28:21,890 --> 01:28:18,030 validates everything that I've said so 2094 01:28:23,810 --> 01:28:21,900 to me that that that's a great case you 2095 01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:23,820 don't hear mention of this that's that's 2096 01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:26,550 not oh it's one of one of the cases that 2097 01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:29,370 should be I think more notorious and and 2098 01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:32,250 more you know well-known I think in the 2099 01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:36,179 field that's no you're absolutely right 2100 01:28:41,149 --> 01:28:38,460 that's why I always do try to mention 2101 01:28:44,419 --> 01:28:41,159 this case you know I got exposed to this 2102 01:28:47,379 --> 01:28:44,429 case by accident that usually happens 2103 01:28:51,860 --> 01:28:47,389 when I went to Brazil way back in in 2104 01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:51,870 1984 and I met my brother was living in 2105 01:28:56,660 --> 01:28:54,420 Brazil at the time and I met Colette 2106 01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:56,670 operalia who's a prominent Brazilian 2107 01:29:01,340 --> 01:28:59,010 authorities but a man of great culture I 2108 01:29:04,189 --> 01:29:01,350 think he had been he had worked for the 2109 01:29:05,870 --> 01:29:04,199 Brazil central bank he I think he had 2110 01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:05,880 been like the president of the Rio de 2111 01:29:10,850 --> 01:29:08,310 Janeiro Association of some odd 2112 01:29:13,129 --> 01:29:10,860 collectors you know this was a guy when 2113 01:29:14,899 --> 01:29:13,139 I wasn't his aparment I had it you know 2114 01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:14,909 glass of whiskey with him you could tell 2115 01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:17,340 this was not you know just a simple gun 2116 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:18,000 was it was 2117 01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:20,970 well cultured guy and he had very good 2118 01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,680 connections with the Brazilian Air Force 2119 01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:25,440 and I at one time he had even acted as 2120 01:29:29,810 --> 01:29:28,050 kind of the unofficial spokesman and 2121 01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:29,820 he's the one that had obtained this 2122 01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,280 document written by a colonel that was 2123 01:29:37,550 --> 01:29:34,800 connected to this Air Force Academy for 2124 01:29:39,170 --> 01:29:37,560 sub officers and I couldn't believe it 2125 01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:39,180 when I read that document I mean it 2126 01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:41,310 would basically it said everything that 2127 01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:43,110 I said before you know but in an 2128 01:29:49,850 --> 01:29:46,350 official document so we have many cases 2129 01:29:52,340 --> 01:29:49,860 like this in them in the next issue of 2130 01:29:54,710 --> 01:29:52,350 open minds magazine which is not out yet 2131 01:29:56,750 --> 01:29:54,720 well actually we do already have copies 2132 01:29:58,850 --> 01:29:56,760 at the office but officially is still 2133 01:30:03,100 --> 01:29:58,860 not publicly out but it will be out in a 2134 01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:03,110 couple of weeks there I revised I I 2135 01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:06,300 talked about a case that is mentioned 2136 01:30:10,820 --> 01:30:08,340 sometimes in various books and things 2137 01:30:13,760 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01:34:55,770 smear and I'm here to say a good word or 2249 01:35:01,100 --> 01:34:58,290 two about the para cast which I believe 2250 01:35:07,300 --> 01:35:01,110 is the gold standard of paranormal radio 2251 01:35:12,620 --> 01:35:10,010 chris is taking on his trickster ish 2252 01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:12,630 voice I think a voice I don't know and 2253 01:35:17,569 --> 01:35:14,520 tell me oh you're talking about the case 2254 01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:17,579 about two children let's continue yeah 2255 01:35:23,839 --> 01:35:20,639 so basically the Kusaka case like that 2256 01:35:26,209 --> 01:35:23,849 happens in this very small village in 2257 01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:26,219 France it was in the 1960s 2258 01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:28,530 I think is 67 I'm gonna look at the 2259 01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:30,329 article here make sure that I got the 2260 01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:35,280 correct information and basically these 2261 01:35:41,390 --> 01:35:38,610 kids who actually were the sons son and 2262 01:35:42,979 --> 01:35:41,400 daughter of the mayor of the town so he 2263 01:35:47,899 --> 01:35:42,989 was kind of the most prominent guy in 2264 01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:47,909 town he was a very small town and this 2265 01:35:54,140 --> 01:35:52,050 happened in 1967 August 29 of 1967 so 2266 01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,150 the kids go up and they were tending the 2267 01:35:59,450 --> 01:35:56,880 farm animals there about 20 cows or 2268 01:36:01,550 --> 01:35:59,460 something and there in the field there 2269 01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:01,560 and then they notice that the cows are 2270 01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:04,260 going towards a hedge and I am 2271 01:36:08,209 --> 01:36:06,360 stone-faced there that a fence that I 2272 01:36:12,109 --> 01:36:08,219 get separated two properties or whatever 2273 01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:12,119 and as they as the the the kid was a 13 2274 01:36:16,669 --> 01:36:14,070 year old and his sister was like nine 2275 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:16,679 year old so then as the kid goes there 2276 01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:19,050 he notices that on the other side of 2277 01:36:24,740 --> 01:36:22,170 this of his stone fence and there's and 2278 01:36:29,450 --> 01:36:24,750 there's a hedge there he can see this 2279 01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:29,460 huge sphere luminous fear hovering right 2280 01:36:35,839 --> 01:36:32,070 over the ground and then there are these 2281 01:36:38,450 --> 01:36:35,849 core beans who are on the ground like 2282 01:36:40,669 --> 01:36:38,460 doing something and they look small so 2283 01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:40,679 these people being we as a lot of the 2284 01:36:46,910 --> 01:36:43,020 alien occupants do right in the UFO 2285 01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:46,920 literature so they see these small kids 2286 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:49,110 and this is kind of a nice little tidbit 2287 01:36:55,220 --> 01:36:52,650 in the story then the kid says oh are 2288 01:36:56,839 --> 01:36:55,230 you coming to play with us you know he 2289 01:36:58,100 --> 01:36:56,849 feels like little people right and you 2290 01:36:59,959 --> 01:36:58,110 come into play but 2291 01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,969 then when the aliens realized that they 2292 01:37:04,820 --> 01:37:02,159 now they're being observed by these two 2293 01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:04,830 children they decided to take out take 2294 01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:07,260 off but they don't just enter the the 2295 01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:10,530 craft in normal way they fly they fly 2296 01:37:16,370 --> 01:37:13,560 and dive on top of the sphere and there 2297 01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:16,380 we published a nice illustration from a 2298 01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:19,020 French comic that in France this case is 2299 01:37:23,180 --> 01:37:21,330 quite prominent and so they eventually 2300 01:37:25,550 --> 01:37:23,190 they fly into the sphere and then this 2301 01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:25,560 fear takes off and it's gone but he left 2302 01:37:33,770 --> 01:37:29,489 a very strong smell of sulphur and this 2303 01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:33,780 is important because again they're the 2304 01:37:38,990 --> 01:37:36,239 the ecologist that initially wrote about 2305 01:37:41,149 --> 01:37:39,000 this and in the old French periodical 2306 01:37:42,830 --> 01:37:41,159 illuminate the language which was a bit 2307 01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,840 cooler than a flying saucer with you but 2308 01:37:46,820 --> 01:37:44,880 in France they were the first ones on 2309 01:37:48,609 --> 01:37:46,830 the scene well actually no I'm wrong the 2310 01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:48,619 first ones on the scenes were the police 2311 01:37:53,870 --> 01:37:51,510 what happened is so the USA takes off 2312 01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:53,880 the animals there was a dog - they're 2313 01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:56,880 all like kind of panicked right after 2314 01:38:01,399 --> 01:37:59,340 all this commotion with this big object 2315 01:38:03,530 --> 01:38:01,409 and everything so the kids had to first 2316 01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:03,540 gather the animals then they go 2317 01:38:07,310 --> 01:38:05,250 eventually back to their to their home 2318 01:38:09,649 --> 01:38:07,320 and they're crying and they're all upset 2319 01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:09,659 and they tell their parents and I guess 2320 01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:11,400 the parents go through the scene you 2321 01:38:16,459 --> 01:38:13,590 were false already gone eventually other 2322 01:38:18,919 --> 01:38:16,469 witnesses were found so the father calls 2323 01:38:22,129 --> 01:38:18,929 the police he's the mayor and the police 2324 01:38:25,250 --> 01:38:22,139 comes and one others and dance says that 2325 01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:25,260 he could still smell the sulfur and then 2326 01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:28,050 they found another witness who didn't 2327 01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:29,760 see that you were visually because he 2328 01:38:33,620 --> 01:38:31,230 was working on the basement or something 2329 01:38:36,620 --> 01:38:33,630 or the barn there but he did hear a 2330 01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:36,630 noise not only there was the surface but 2331 01:38:42,740 --> 01:38:40,110 there was a very digression this object 2332 01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:42,750 was been meeting some very very loud 2333 01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:45,449 vibration so that the sound part was 2334 01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:49,290 also heard by other witnesses well they 2335 01:38:53,419 --> 01:38:51,719 basically cross-examined these children 2336 01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:53,429 first by the police first by their 2337 01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:55,380 parents and the police then eventually 2338 01:39:00,530 --> 01:38:57,690 the ufologists and they could never find 2339 01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:00,540 a single contradiction and so the case 2340 01:39:06,169 --> 01:39:03,050 was considered a classic in nineteen the 2341 01:39:08,839 --> 01:39:06,179 1970s when Japan you know the official 2342 01:39:11,540 --> 01:39:08,849 investigation in France which is under 2343 01:39:13,700 --> 01:39:11,550 the French Space Agency they have a UFO 2344 01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:13,710 like it will be like if NASA had a UFO 2345 01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:15,239 Department but I guess the French are 2346 01:39:20,750 --> 01:39:18,449 more sophisticated politically so they 2347 01:39:23,569 --> 01:39:20,760 reopen an investigation on this case and 2348 01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:23,579 it was done by Court where the head of 2349 01:39:26,810 --> 01:39:25,440 the agency and all the details are 2350 01:39:29,629 --> 01:39:26,820 explained in the article because 2351 01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,639 basically 99% of the data on this case 2352 01:39:33,799 --> 01:39:32,159 you will only find it in print so a lot 2353 01:39:36,589 --> 01:39:33,809 of the stuff is not available for 2354 01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:36,599 Americans fortunately as we may have 2355 01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:38,730 discussed the first interview I did you 2356 01:39:43,370 --> 01:39:41,520 know a few years ago I did study French 2357 01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:43,380 other Sorbonne so I can read French so I 2358 01:39:47,660 --> 01:39:45,119 was I was able to crack a lot of the 2359 01:39:49,729 --> 01:39:47,670 original sources but to me so they end 2360 01:39:51,140 --> 01:39:49,739 again the official investigation came to 2361 01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:51,150 the same conclusion they completely 2362 01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:53,280 ruled out that it was a helicopter 2363 01:39:57,470 --> 01:39:55,010 landing because I was sort of a natural 2364 01:40:00,319 --> 01:39:57,480 debunking information all the kids just 2365 01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,329 saw a helicopter this club here with an 2366 01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,400 aerospace engineer demolished that 2367 01:40:08,660 --> 01:40:05,280 theory but more fascinating even than 2368 01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:08,670 that is in the 1980s there was a counter 2369 01:40:13,490 --> 01:40:11,010 investigation by a group by a group of 2370 01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:13,500 skeptical apologists in France but I'd 2371 01:40:17,149 --> 01:40:15,510 explained that in Europe their skeptics 2372 01:40:19,490 --> 01:40:17,159 are a little bit more open-minded in the 2373 01:40:22,250 --> 01:40:19,500 United States they seem to be less 2374 01:40:23,540 --> 01:40:22,260 dogmatic they're still very skeptic but 2375 01:40:26,209 --> 01:40:23,550 they're kind of fascinated by the 2376 01:40:28,939 --> 01:40:26,219 phenomenon they are sometimes very 2377 01:40:30,260 --> 01:40:28,949 honest like in this case what happened 2378 01:40:32,089 --> 01:40:30,270 is these guys thought that they were 2379 01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:32,099 going to be able to crack this case they 2380 01:40:37,879 --> 01:40:34,530 said oh this is an easy one two kids you 2381 01:40:39,530 --> 01:40:37,889 know we'll just interview them and have 2382 01:40:41,450 --> 01:40:39,540 some leading questions and big enough 2383 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:41,460 sooner or later you know there's going 2384 01:40:45,979 --> 01:40:43,290 to be a contributor well they couldn't 2385 01:40:48,379 --> 01:40:45,989 find it they took the hard as they as 2386 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:48,389 they as they cried so eventually even 2387 01:40:53,390 --> 01:40:51,690 the skeptics own investigation and it's 2388 01:40:55,069 --> 01:40:53,400 right at the beginning of their article 2389 01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:55,079 that he was it was a paper written by a 2390 01:40:59,089 --> 01:40:57,090 friend to follow this Kokiri pinvidic 2391 01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:59,099 which was published the investigation 2392 01:41:05,209 --> 01:41:01,800 was done in the 1980s but then the paper 2393 01:41:08,299 --> 01:41:05,219 wasn't published until like 1992 or 93 2394 01:41:10,129 --> 01:41:08,309 somewhere around there and basically he 2395 01:41:12,319 --> 01:41:10,139 says I ever start we thought we were 2396 01:41:13,580 --> 01:41:12,329 going to explain this case but I'm sorry 2397 01:41:16,549 --> 01:41:13,590 we couldn't come up with an explanation 2398 01:41:18,979 --> 01:41:16,559 and if we only gonna explain a case if 2399 01:41:21,049 --> 01:41:18,989 we can establish a solid foundation if 2400 01:41:23,930 --> 01:41:21,059 not it's not worth it I'll tell you well 2401 01:41:24,890 --> 01:41:23,940 we have so many things to cover and not 2402 01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:24,900 enough time 2403 01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:26,280 get to some more questions and maybe 2404 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:28,290 keep the answers a bit shorter as a 2405 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:31,290 result Chris all right how about this is 2406 01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:34,530 a question number two from that's the 2407 01:41:40,340 --> 01:41:38,159 high folk some of these uh Avatar names 2408 01:41:42,620 --> 01:41:40,350 are pretty interesting here do you feel 2409 01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:42,630 that the Lonnie Zamora case or the past 2410 01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:46,650 of the Mississippi case were alien 2411 01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:49,199 visitations which was the first one 2412 01:41:57,890 --> 01:41:52,860 besides the Saqqara New Mexico case and 2413 01:41:59,600 --> 01:41:57,900 past okay yeah again alien I don't know 2414 01:42:01,760 --> 01:41:59,610 they were alien but I think both of 2415 01:42:06,169 --> 01:42:01,770 those cases are pretty solid the Socorro 2416 01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:06,179 case investigated you know long time by 2417 01:42:13,399 --> 01:42:09,360 blue book by young ray Stanford of 2418 01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,409 course wrote a classic book and recently 2419 01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,600 there was that guy what is his name 2420 01:42:19,340 --> 01:42:17,280 beside you or something there was there 2421 01:42:22,010 --> 01:42:19,350 was some guy that claimed that Anthony 2422 01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:22,020 we go obregón you're right that he 2423 01:42:27,740 --> 01:42:24,210 claimed it was a hoax by the some kids 2424 01:42:30,260 --> 01:42:27,750 from the Institute New Mexico Institute 2425 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:30,270 of mineralogy or something like that but 2426 01:42:37,399 --> 01:42:33,690 in and he had some letter but he wasn't 2427 01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:37,409 very solid basically and I mean a with 2428 01:42:43,220 --> 01:42:40,440 in in to me and not only that I actually 2429 01:42:45,620 --> 01:42:43,230 read the chapter on Sakura that 2430 01:42:47,419 --> 01:42:45,630 quintanilla himself wrote you know that 2431 01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:47,429 major Hector quintanilla right 2432 01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:49,650 quintanilla the last director of Blue 2433 01:42:54,380 --> 01:42:52,080 Book who by no means can be considered a 2434 01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:54,390 UFO believer in fact to follow Jesus to 2435 01:43:00,200 --> 01:42:57,360 hate him and this guy could not explain 2436 01:43:02,750 --> 01:43:00,210 Sakura and he went on blue Bacchus 2437 01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:02,760 unknown and believe me they like in some 2438 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:03,540 kind of a prank 2439 01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:05,850 the FBI was involved and he would have 2440 01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,040 been discovered back then so I think 2441 01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:11,040 that's a good case and Pascagoula same 2442 01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:13,739 thing I I interview charlie Nixon myself 2443 01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:17,040 many years ago I was in the area he did 2444 01:43:20,689 --> 01:43:18,480 not at the time of the incidents but 2445 01:43:23,780 --> 01:43:20,699 many years later but he took me to the 2446 01:43:25,580 --> 01:43:23,790 area where it happened and I published 2447 01:43:28,580 --> 01:43:25,590 the big article in open minds magazine 2448 01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:28,590 to a few years ago after Charlie died 2449 01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:31,770 after Charlie died I which was only like 2450 01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:33,690 in December or something of last year 2451 01:43:38,180 --> 01:43:35,219 November December 2452 01:43:38,810 --> 01:43:38,190 I yeah yeah I short me just a few months 2453 01:43:42,110 --> 01:43:38,820 ago 2454 01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:42,120 I on the web you know then I put the 2455 01:43:47,450 --> 01:43:44,820 entire transcript of some lecture that 2456 01:43:49,250 --> 01:43:47,460 he gave which I attended so yeah there's 2457 01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:49,260 a few things here and there on the on 2458 01:43:54,050 --> 01:43:51,360 the on that case that you can point out 2459 01:43:56,150 --> 01:43:54,060 of some doubt you're there but I think 2460 01:43:59,300 --> 01:43:56,160 basically the case stands and there are 2461 01:44:01,130 --> 01:43:59,310 other witnesses as well including people 2462 01:44:02,210 --> 01:44:01,140 from the Navy by the way Chris you 2463 01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:02,220 didn't ask the question from trained 2464 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:04,710 observer did you not yet okay let's do 2465 01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:06,810 that one because he's worrying that his 2466 01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:08,820 question won't be asked all right 2467 01:44:12,230 --> 01:44:10,410 I was saving the best for last you're 2468 01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:12,240 gonna love this from Antonio this is a 2469 01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,730 good way to end this segment yeah we'll 2470 01:44:20,030 --> 01:44:16,560 have a cliffhanger let's go ahead with 2471 01:44:24,020 --> 01:44:20,040 this okay why don't open minds run with 2472 01:44:26,570 --> 01:44:24,030 the long-ago debunk dan burisch cane cat 2473 01:44:28,370 --> 01:44:26,580 solace story the fact the guy has 2474 01:44:29,930 --> 01:44:28,380 changed his name several times scenes 2475 01:44:32,690 --> 01:44:29,940 indicative of something don't you think 2476 01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:32,700 the amount of work that Trat put into 2477 01:44:36,620 --> 01:44:34,860 that Michael strap put into that was 2478 01:44:38,900 --> 01:44:36,630 incredible for the story of a known hoax 2479 01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:38,910 or also wasn't there some falling-out 2480 01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:41,450 between open mind schrott burisch cane 2481 01:44:48,140 --> 01:44:44,820 cuts Ellis over the project Aquarius 2482 01:44:51,140 --> 01:44:48,150 article whoa what a question we have 2483 01:44:53,870 --> 01:44:51,150 here yeah that's that's tough for me 2484 01:44:55,970 --> 01:44:53,880 because asking me about the gun I'm on 2485 01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:55,980 our company of course I had nothing to 2486 01:45:01,400 --> 01:44:57,930 do with the with the very story myself 2487 01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:01,410 you know um but poor Michael I guess he 2488 01:45:10,910 --> 01:45:03,420 was he was really assigned that story 2489 01:45:13,310 --> 01:45:10,920 and he had some doubts even at the time 2490 01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:13,320 and I remember he telling me that I 2491 01:45:17,150 --> 01:45:14,940 don't know what to do with this guy with 2492 01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:17,160 gene and Chris we have Antonio who næss 2493 01:45:27,270 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of paranormal radio and now 2549 01:48:03,790 --> 01:48:01,390 we have Antonio haumea's he's an editor 2550 01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:03,800 for open minds magazine with gene and 2551 01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:05,930 Chris and the para cast in our previous 2552 01:48:11,110 --> 01:48:08,960 segment which went on the last hour we 2553 01:48:14,980 --> 01:48:11,120 asked him a long complicated question 2554 01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:14,990 about an article run in open minds let's 2555 01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:18,110 have the answer yes well as I explained 2556 01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:20,000 well also notice that that story was 2557 01:48:23,380 --> 01:48:21,710 never published in the magazine because 2558 01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:23,390 in the magazine we want to keep the 2559 01:48:27,490 --> 01:48:25,520 standards you know very high so he 2560 01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:27,500 wasn't deemed initially wouldn't know if 2561 01:48:31,330 --> 01:48:28,910 the guy would have come up with good 2562 01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,340 evidence bearish you know we would have 2563 01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:33,040 used it in the magazine but in the end 2564 01:48:39,460 --> 01:48:35,810 we decided not to use it in the magazine 2565 01:48:41,950 --> 01:48:39,470 but in its crew there was a fallout at 2566 01:48:44,230 --> 01:48:41,960 the end he was a he's a very strange guy 2567 01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:44,240 I don't know if you either you have met 2568 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:46,610 him I I had never paid much attention or 2569 01:48:50,980 --> 01:48:49,370 was much of a believer in his story 2570 01:48:53,140 --> 01:48:50,990 anyway George snap already had 2571 01:48:55,480 --> 01:48:53,150 investigated years ago and completely 2572 01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:55,490 ruled it out but anyway I met the guy of 2573 01:49:00,400 --> 01:48:57,110 course he came to her office and he 2574 01:49:03,310 --> 01:49:00,410 spent here you know a long time many 2575 01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:03,320 hours and then then basically Michael 2576 01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:05,090 was assigned to do the story and he 2577 01:49:10,690 --> 01:49:07,250 spent a lot of time and but then when 2578 01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:10,700 the story was published darush had a lot 2579 01:49:16,690 --> 01:49:14,090 of not a lot but had some problems and 2580 01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:16,700 but they were very minor you know it's 2581 01:49:22,630 --> 01:49:19,130 just like some little detail you know 2582 01:49:24,970 --> 01:49:22,640 what's wrong this or that so it was not 2583 01:49:26,890 --> 01:49:24,980 one of our best stories but it happens 2584 01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:26,900 so so where do you come down the whole 2585 01:49:36,010 --> 01:49:32,170 thing was just an elaborate I fairy tale 2586 01:49:38,170 --> 01:49:36,020 probably yeah probably a copycat of our 2587 01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:38,180 or something you know that's when I he 2588 01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:40,490 first emerged they first emerged and 2589 01:49:45,610 --> 01:49:42,800 when that when the area 51 was very big 2590 01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:45,620 and now it is not a dummy though it's a 2591 01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:47,930 very cerebral guy and he comes across 2592 01:49:53,470 --> 01:49:51,170 like be intelligent and he's he's got he 2593 01:49:59,229 --> 01:49:53,480 claims is a govern biochemist of course 2594 01:50:03,500 --> 01:50:01,969 he gave us some stuff that he wasn't it 2595 01:50:06,109 --> 01:50:03,510 wasn't it wasn't worth it you know I 2596 01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:06,119 mean let's move to our next question 2597 01:50:13,149 --> 01:50:10,639 okay we have one from sentry we do yes 2598 01:50:15,319 --> 01:50:13,159 this is kind of an open-ended question 2599 01:50:17,359 --> 01:50:15,329 you know you might want to try to just 2600 01:50:19,549 --> 01:50:17,369 kind of give us a thumbnail sketch but 2601 01:50:21,770 --> 01:50:19,559 what is your opinion of the the way that 2602 01:50:25,159 --> 01:50:21,780 the UFO subject isn't is treated in the 2603 01:50:27,649 --> 01:50:25,169 media do you think there's any hope yeah 2604 01:50:30,679 --> 01:50:27,659 I think there's some hope because III 2605 01:50:32,899 --> 01:50:30,689 see that it's been some change believe 2606 01:50:36,979 --> 01:50:32,909 me when I know I've been in the field 2607 01:50:38,299 --> 01:50:36,989 now for something like 35 years and even 2608 01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:38,309 though the media is different in 2609 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:40,050 different parts of the world like in 2610 01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:41,610 South America the media is much more 2611 01:50:45,620 --> 01:50:44,010 open and when I would go into 82 South 2612 01:50:47,299 --> 01:50:45,630 America I felt like I was in another 2613 01:50:49,609 --> 01:50:47,309 planet you know with a regards to this 2614 01:50:51,379 --> 01:50:49,619 subject but in the States able stuff 2615 01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:51,389 back in the old days there was really a 2616 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:53,489 lot of really cool and all that but I 2617 01:50:57,620 --> 01:50:55,530 think it's changed I mean not not 2618 01:50:59,870 --> 01:50:57,630 entirely yeah so I don't think it's so 2619 01:51:02,179 --> 01:50:59,880 much now the pooh-poohing or that a lot 2620 01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,189 of you know the 90 remarks and things 2621 01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:04,320 like that a lot of that has is gone now 2622 01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:07,050 but the problem that remains is 2623 01:51:12,219 --> 01:51:09,119 shallowness you know they don't do a 2624 01:51:17,779 --> 01:51:16,250 I like the next question I'm in the 2625 01:51:22,879 --> 01:51:17,789 local papers you will find better 2626 01:51:25,159 --> 01:51:22,889 treatments that you probably yeah yeah 2627 01:51:27,049 --> 01:51:25,169 usually it's a local papers that have 2628 01:51:29,779 --> 01:51:27,059 local ownerships which is such a rare 2629 01:51:31,850 --> 01:51:29,789 commodity these days because most are 2630 01:51:33,020 --> 01:51:31,860 owned by large chains and they only care 2631 01:51:33,919 --> 01:51:33,030 about corporate they don't care about 2632 01:51:36,020 --> 01:51:33,929 stuff like that 2633 01:51:41,209 --> 01:51:36,030 this next question I find fascinating 2634 01:51:43,939 --> 01:51:41,219 Chris Antonio what is your opinion of 2635 01:51:54,469 --> 01:51:43,949 the way ufologists are treated by Jim 2636 01:51:57,620 --> 01:51:54,479 Mosely we all know Jim well well jamison 2637 01:52:00,139 --> 01:51:57,630 is an equal-opportunity cynic I recall 2638 01:52:02,389 --> 01:52:00,149 that well you know I mean he he can make 2639 01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:02,399 a lot of fun of pathologists but he can 2640 01:52:07,129 --> 01:52:04,050 also make equally a lot of fun about 2641 01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:07,139 skeptics and the bankers Randy and so on 2642 01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:10,800 so Jim is 2643 01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:13,050 but I've known gin for many many years 2644 01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:15,570 not us not as long as Jean of course but 2645 01:52:20,180 --> 01:52:18,690 still I met mostly probably in the in 2646 01:52:23,180 --> 01:52:20,190 the seventies I must have met him in the 2647 01:52:25,580 --> 01:52:23,190 late seventies and even though he's he's 2648 01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:25,590 you know he makes a lot of fun of people 2649 01:52:30,170 --> 01:52:27,450 in cases and all that but if you really 2650 01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:30,180 put him deeply he does admit that there 2651 01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:33,030 is a real phenomenon he's very serious 2652 01:52:37,820 --> 01:52:35,610 about it if you actually sit there and 2653 01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:37,830 get over with him and you know he has 2654 01:52:42,380 --> 01:52:40,560 the surface veneer of laughing and 2655 01:52:44,450 --> 01:52:42,390 course object and then you talk to him 2656 01:52:49,250 --> 01:52:44,460 and number three yeah I should number 2657 01:52:52,010 --> 01:52:49,260 three okay Antonio besides getting a 2658 01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:52,020 subscription to open minds magazine what 2659 01:53:01,070 --> 01:52:54,300 can the public do to support valid UFO 2660 01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:01,080 research that's a good question what can 2661 01:53:09,440 --> 01:53:06,480 the public do well I mean dude do 2662 01:53:11,090 --> 01:53:09,450 research I mean these days people can do 2663 01:53:14,330 --> 01:53:11,100 research you know thanks to the Internet 2664 01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,340 I mean there's a lot of crap too but 2665 01:53:18,230 --> 01:53:16,320 there is a lot of good stuff and they I 2666 01:53:19,970 --> 01:53:18,240 mean it's completely changed in the way 2667 01:53:22,910 --> 01:53:19,980 of doing research so that's one thing 2668 01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:22,920 you can do you can support it you know 2669 01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,210 and if you don't have the time of 2670 01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:26,880 inclination to do research your own yeah 2671 01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:29,280 you can like like the guy said you know 2672 01:53:34,460 --> 01:53:31,290 hopefully subscribe to open minds or 2673 01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:34,470 join MUFON or support any of the few 2674 01:53:41,110 --> 01:53:37,440 valid efforts out there they're not 2675 01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:41,120 maybe they're not many better if you and 2676 01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:46,320 another is to try to get maybe you know 2677 01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:47,760 let's say that you're connected to the 2678 01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:49,770 University maybe try to get the 2679 01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:52,530 university to sponsor maybe a lecture or 2680 01:53:56,780 --> 01:53:54,570 something like that can open broad in 2681 01:53:58,910 --> 01:53:56,790 the field you know some people like to 2682 01:54:01,610 --> 01:53:58,920 try the political way you know going to 2683 01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:01,620 extra politics so they if that's what 2684 01:54:05,810 --> 01:54:03,810 they are that's our calling they can try 2685 01:54:08,420 --> 01:54:05,820 that too and write letters to the 2686 01:54:11,060 --> 01:54:08,430 government or whatever if you're into 2687 01:54:12,860 --> 01:54:11,070 into into government research you can 2688 01:54:15,830 --> 01:54:12,870 try to do Freedom of Information Act 2689 01:54:17,420 --> 01:54:15,840 requests and you know find some 2690 01:54:19,550 --> 01:54:17,430 interesting case and see if the 2691 01:54:22,190 --> 01:54:19,560 government has anything I mean often 2692 01:54:24,279 --> 01:54:22,200 you're not know it won't go anywhere but 2693 01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:24,289 sometimes you do find stuff 2694 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:30,639 you get lucky that people can do yeah 2695 01:54:35,139 --> 01:54:33,530 there are I think doing your own 2696 01:54:37,209 --> 01:54:35,149 research and coming to an informed 2697 01:54:39,459 --> 01:54:37,219 opinion based on your own work is an 2698 01:54:41,919 --> 01:54:39,469 important one that you brought up like 2699 01:54:43,989 --> 01:54:41,929 you said sometimes it's difficult to put 2700 01:54:45,759 --> 01:54:43,999 the the kind of mileage in and and the 2701 01:54:47,859 --> 01:54:45,769 amount of time it takes to really get up 2702 01:54:50,619 --> 01:54:47,869 to speed but but I think we owe it to 2703 01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:50,629 ourselves to make informed opinions 2704 01:54:55,959 --> 01:54:52,729 about things instead of accepting the 2705 01:54:58,569 --> 01:54:55,969 media's view or or the current popular 2706 01:55:00,939 --> 01:54:58,579 trend that might be in the culture we 2707 01:55:03,219 --> 01:55:00,949 have one more question from vespa hi 2708 01:55:05,770 --> 01:55:03,229 folk and and that involves the flatwood 2709 01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:05,780 monster do you think this was alien 2710 01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:08,169 visitation or something else 2711 01:55:15,699 --> 01:55:13,209 Vlad wood monster um it's a famous case 2712 01:55:18,039 --> 01:55:15,709 but the devil the truth I mean of course 2713 01:55:20,889 --> 01:55:18,049 I've heard of it and but it's not one 2714 01:55:25,509 --> 01:55:20,899 that I really investigated on my own so 2715 01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:25,519 mmm probably a matter it matters stem 2716 01:55:29,859 --> 01:55:27,679 from the real case who knows but it 2717 01:55:32,319 --> 01:55:29,869 happened so long ago but it's part of 2718 01:55:34,989 --> 01:55:32,329 folklore now in West Virginia having 2719 01:55:38,889 --> 01:55:34,999 cases like that the problem is we don't 2720 01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:38,899 know how much gray Barker added to the 2721 01:55:43,959 --> 01:55:42,649 original reports in his book yeah you're 2722 01:55:46,299 --> 01:55:43,969 right about that Jim because great 2723 01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:46,309 Barker and was a kind of a trickster you 2724 01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:49,129 know and we do know I went to this 2725 01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,719 collection one time you know if I could 2726 01:55:55,479 --> 01:55:53,119 most me we spoke there one time at the 2727 01:55:57,159 --> 01:55:55,489 other you know that's the one thing that 2728 01:55:59,049 --> 01:55:57,169 Barker did better than any other 2729 01:56:01,169 --> 01:55:59,059 apologist he arranged his entire 2730 01:56:03,369 --> 01:56:01,179 collection or maybe was done by his 2731 01:56:05,349 --> 01:56:03,379 sister or whatever but he was done 2732 01:56:07,959 --> 01:56:05,359 properly and everything was preserved 2733 01:56:10,409 --> 01:56:07,969 and it's it's it's Anna branch of the 2734 01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:10,419 West Virginia Public Library and 2735 01:56:14,379 --> 01:56:12,530 independent some some building for 2736 01:56:16,389 --> 01:56:14,389 historical records there are other other 2737 01:56:18,309 --> 01:56:16,399 rooms there with Civil War records and 2738 01:56:20,469 --> 01:56:18,319 things like that and there's one room 2739 01:56:23,919 --> 01:56:20,479 for the great Barker collection and it's 2740 01:56:25,989 --> 01:56:23,929 everything perfectly preserved and the 2741 01:56:27,789 --> 01:56:25,999 public being the public library you can 2742 01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:27,799 go there and do research and he'll make 2743 01:56:34,899 --> 01:56:31,280 copies and everything but yes and Barker 2744 01:56:36,519 --> 01:56:34,909 and doubtedly was I mean he often 2745 01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:36,529 published real cases but he also 2746 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:37,730 embellished 2747 01:56:43,180 --> 01:56:40,010 and this is well known by anybody that 2748 01:56:46,570 --> 01:56:43,190 knew Barker personally like Mosley or or 2749 01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:46,580 just people that have read visited 2750 01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,130 Barker's house once or twice in 2751 01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:51,920 Clarksburg West Virginia and nothing 2752 01:56:56,290 --> 01:56:54,290 there was very well organized so far as 2753 01:56:59,590 --> 01:56:56,300 I could see so if that library was well 2754 01:57:02,320 --> 01:56:59,600 organized in death Barker's works and 2755 01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,330 his material was far better organized 2756 01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:04,400 than in life very strange 2757 01:57:07,630 --> 01:57:05,810 oh yeah well that was done by the 2758 01:57:09,820 --> 01:57:07,640 librarians I think probably the stuff 2759 01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:09,830 was just delivered in boxes but and they 2760 01:57:12,940 --> 01:57:11,330 took them in a while I guess but now 2761 01:57:14,980 --> 01:57:12,950 because they are professional librarians 2762 01:57:17,170 --> 01:57:14,990 yeah I was in Chris how well and it's 2763 01:57:19,090 --> 01:57:17,180 not just not just the documents and the 2764 01:57:21,820 --> 01:57:19,100 correspondence and things like that but 2765 01:57:24,250 --> 01:57:21,830 there's a memorabilia so there's 2766 01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:24,260 pictures and frames on the wall so it's 2767 01:57:27,730 --> 01:57:26,000 like a little exhibit it's not just 2768 01:57:29,980 --> 01:57:27,740 archives but also an exhibit got a 2769 01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:29,990 Antonio who nee is joining us with Jean 2770 01:57:40,210 --> 01:57:38,000 and Chris you're in the para cast we 2771 01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:40,220 also have swag you know we have all 2772 01:57:44,350 --> 01:57:43,490 these exclusive para cast things that 2773 01:57:46,270 --> 01:57:44,360 you can buy 2774 01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:46,280 we've got like I guess 60 or so 2775 01:57:52,690 --> 01:57:49,130 different items and entails t-shirts 2776 01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:52,700 sleeves for notebook computers iPad 2777 01:57:58,300 --> 01:57:56,000 cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo 2778 01:58:00,160 --> 01:57:58,310 tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and 2779 01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:00,170 jackets and stuff like that for men and 2780 01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:03,410 women we have a para cast aluminum water 2781 01:58:09,190 --> 01:58:05,690 bottle all the stuff you go to steward 2782 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now we'd like to hear 2879 02:01:45,230 --> 02:01:42,780 from you if you have a comment or 2880 02:01:49,310 --> 02:01:45,240 question about the para cast sent it to 2881 02:01:52,220 --> 02:01:49,320 news at the para cast com that's news at 2882 02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:52,230 the para cast dot-com and don't forget 2883 02:01:58,720 --> 02:01:54,480 to visit our famous para cast community 2884 02:02:02,030 --> 02:01:58,730 forums at forum dot the para cast calm 2885 02:02:04,010 --> 02:02:02,040 we're back with Antonio næss from open 2886 02:02:05,420 --> 02:02:04,020 minds magazine and before we let me go 2887 02:02:07,130 --> 02:02:05,430 home tell you how to get a copy of the 2888 02:02:12,230 --> 02:02:07,140 magazine it's actually just going to 2889 02:02:14,780 --> 02:02:12,240 open minds TV and yeah that's all you 2890 02:02:17,780 --> 02:02:14,790 have to do go to open nine stock TV then 2891 02:02:20,090 --> 02:02:17,790 it will say you know videos magazine 2892 02:02:22,940 --> 02:02:20,100 whatever store cetera so you just go to 2893 02:02:24,650 --> 02:02:22,950 the magazine and then you would list all 2894 02:02:27,530 --> 02:02:24,660 the issues and you'll give you the table 2895 02:02:29,090 --> 02:02:27,540 of contents and so on but of course we 2896 02:02:32,060 --> 02:02:29,100 have much more than that on our website 2897 02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:32,070 you know we have a lot of items we did 2898 02:02:36,770 --> 02:02:34,050 put a lot of the APRA bulletins 2899 02:02:39,860 --> 02:02:36,780 we have a section called resources and 2900 02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:39,870 we're going to be doing an a major dump 2901 02:02:44,570 --> 02:02:42,570 as soon what documents to that'll be 2902 02:02:46,070 --> 02:02:44,580 pretty interesting and that's a project 2903 02:02:48,500 --> 02:02:46,080 that I've been working on so this is 2904 02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:48,510 sort of a little a little preview and 2905 02:02:52,490 --> 02:02:50,610 then you know we publish daily stuff and 2906 02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:52,500 then there is a radio show called 2907 02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:54,930 spacing out and and so on and on and so 2908 02:03:00,650 --> 02:02:56,730 youtube channel there's all kinds of 2909 02:03:02,900 --> 02:03:00,660 things with lots of things going on now 2910 02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:02,910 when we invited you on the show Chris 2911 02:03:06,890 --> 02:03:04,650 mentioned a couple of articles the first 2912 02:03:07,950 --> 02:03:06,900 one we talked about the Mayans 2012 and 2913 02:03:10,500 --> 02:03:07,960 UFOs 2914 02:03:13,250 --> 02:03:10,510 then Chris mentions in introducing you 2915 02:03:15,930 --> 02:03:13,260 for our question bank questions an 2916 02:03:18,510 --> 02:03:15,940 expose of official committee for the 2917 02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:18,520 study of aerial anomalous phenomena 2918 02:03:24,180 --> 02:03:22,210 documents etc etc I'm curious because I 2919 02:03:26,970 --> 02:03:24,190 don't have the issue what was Chris 2920 02:03:34,050 --> 02:03:26,980 talking about it this on that same issue 2921 02:03:36,479 --> 02:03:34,060 was general Bermudez in the Chilean yeah 2922 02:03:42,090 --> 02:03:36,489 yeah you just got me because I know the 2923 02:03:44,729 --> 02:03:42,100 name of the committee in Spanish I would 2924 02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:44,739 basically would feel very insulted if I 2925 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:46,480 did that because it would be very bad 2926 02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:51,370 all right this was one of the great 2927 02:03:55,530 --> 02:03:52,930 things that we did you know in our in 2928 02:03:57,180 --> 02:03:55,540 our Congress this year international UFO 2929 02:04:00,180 --> 02:03:57,190 Congress which both of you guys were 2930 02:04:02,370 --> 02:04:00,190 there is that when we invited this 2931 02:04:04,650 --> 02:04:02,380 general and when's the last time that 2932 02:04:06,900 --> 02:04:04,660 you saw in a general in Air Force 2933 02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:06,910 general who actually runs an official 2934 02:04:10,860 --> 02:04:09,010 dutiful project speaking at an American 2935 02:04:13,290 --> 02:04:10,870 UFO Congress I mean that doesn't happen 2936 02:04:15,510 --> 02:04:13,300 no yeah I mean in fact this didn't 2937 02:04:18,150 --> 02:04:15,520 happen in the u.s. it has happened in 2938 02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:18,160 South America and in Europe but for us 2939 02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:20,530 it was it was a it was a breakthrough 2940 02:04:25,590 --> 02:04:23,290 and so this gentleman actually he's 2941 02:04:27,959 --> 02:04:25,600 retired as an Air Force general but he 2942 02:04:30,450 --> 02:04:27,969 was an Air Force general now and but he 2943 02:04:32,070 --> 02:04:30,460 runs the official agency of the 2944 02:04:34,590 --> 02:04:32,080 government of Chile which is this 2945 02:04:37,020 --> 02:04:34,600 committee for the study of an aerial 2946 02:04:37,590 --> 02:04:37,030 anomalous phenomena so far he's been a 2947 02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:37,600 colonel 2948 02:04:42,360 --> 02:04:39,610 they're attached to the Civil Aviation 2949 02:04:44,190 --> 02:04:42,370 agency so it would be the equivalent 2950 02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:44,200 just like I mentioned that the French 2951 02:04:48,750 --> 02:04:46,690 model the French most people when they 2952 02:04:50,190 --> 02:04:48,760 think of you or four agencies government 2953 02:04:51,780 --> 02:04:50,200 they think of the Air Force right 2954 02:04:55,020 --> 02:04:51,790 because that traditionally was the case 2955 02:04:57,540 --> 02:04:55,030 in America and in also Brazil and many 2956 02:04:59,760 --> 02:04:57,550 other countries it was usually the task 2957 02:05:01,040 --> 02:04:59,770 for the Air Force because naturally 2958 02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:01,050 right they're supposed to be running 2959 02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:03,370 protecting the airspace of countries and 2960 02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:05,530 so on but a couple of countries have 2961 02:05:09,570 --> 02:05:07,930 decided that it was the other agencies 2962 02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:09,580 are better suited in the case of the 2963 02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:11,410 friends the trench they did it through 2964 02:05:15,540 --> 02:05:13,570 the Space Agency it's a small office but 2965 02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:15,550 nevertheless official in attached to 2966 02:05:20,010 --> 02:05:17,890 their to their space agency and in the 2967 02:05:21,580 --> 02:05:20,020 case of Chile I think it's the only 2968 02:05:23,290 --> 02:05:21,590 country in the world that has this 2969 02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:23,300 is connected to the Civil Aviation 2970 02:05:28,479 --> 02:05:25,610 agency because it's considered 2971 02:05:31,959 --> 02:05:28,489 potentially in a duration hazard that's 2972 02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:31,969 one other official reasons and so it 2973 02:05:38,260 --> 02:05:35,090 would be like if the FAA had a small UFO 2974 02:05:39,970 --> 02:05:38,270 office now what's important regardless 2975 02:05:42,129 --> 02:05:39,980 of who or what that's good better 2976 02:05:44,530 --> 02:05:42,139 garments do this occasionally and all 2977 02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:44,540 that but the most important thing is by 2978 02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:46,610 having an agency connected to a civil 2979 02:05:52,030 --> 02:05:49,520 aviation you encourage instead of 2980 02:05:54,250 --> 02:05:52,040 discouraging pilots to report your host 2981 02:05:56,379 --> 02:05:54,260 because normally pilots is the kiss of 2982 02:05:58,510 --> 02:05:56,389 death you know in the 1950s if you were 2983 02:06:00,430 --> 02:05:58,520 a pilot in a commercial pilot and you 2984 02:06:02,649 --> 02:06:00,440 saw a UFO you didn't want to talk 2985 02:06:04,060 --> 02:06:02,659 publicly about it because it could cost 2986 02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:04,070 you a lot of trouble with your airline 2987 02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:07,010 but so until it exactly the opposite if 2988 02:06:11,260 --> 02:06:09,530 you are a pilot and you see a UFO and 2989 02:06:14,500 --> 02:06:11,270 this could apply to foreign pilots as 2990 02:06:18,220 --> 02:06:14,510 well who are flying to Chile and then 2991 02:06:20,410 --> 02:06:18,230 not only you're encouraged to make to 2992 02:06:22,750 --> 02:06:20,420 make a report and there are there is an 2993 02:06:24,459 --> 02:06:22,760 official channel to do that an official 2994 02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:24,469 questionnaire and nobody's gonna laugh 2995 02:06:29,020 --> 02:06:26,570 at you and you're not gonna be ungraded 2996 02:06:30,879 --> 02:06:29,030 or put on a desk job you know that like 2997 02:06:32,109 --> 02:06:30,889 happened to that cool Japanese pilot you 2998 02:06:33,339 --> 02:06:32,119 know the there ouchy 2999 02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,349 clapping throughout you the famous 3000 02:06:38,919 --> 02:06:36,320 Alaska case Japanese airline in 1986 3001 02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:38,929 which when he went public and then 3002 02:06:43,930 --> 02:06:42,050 eventually the FAA you know released a 3003 02:06:46,959 --> 02:06:43,940 bunch of documents and they put him on 3004 02:06:49,689 --> 02:06:46,969 they gave me a desk job so it is this so 3005 02:06:52,030 --> 02:06:49,699 anyway going back to that article so we 3006 02:06:53,379 --> 02:06:52,040 got access thanks to my friendship with 3007 02:06:55,390 --> 02:06:53,389 general there Moody's have known him for 3008 02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:55,400 a number of years since this agency was 3009 02:07:00,040 --> 02:06:57,920 created back in the late 90s they send 3010 02:07:02,890 --> 02:07:00,050 me a preliminary report of cases from 3011 02:07:05,470 --> 02:07:02,900 2010 and that's that was that article 3012 02:07:08,530 --> 02:07:05,480 and we have a few other articles about 3013 02:07:11,140 --> 02:07:08,540 him on the on the web as well but I also 3014 02:07:13,300 --> 02:07:11,150 interviewed him at the Congress and on 3015 02:07:15,669 --> 02:07:13,310 there on the current issue that we're 3016 02:07:18,129 --> 02:07:15,679 working I mean on the next issue the one 3017 02:07:20,589 --> 02:07:18,139 we're just beginning to do the work we 3018 02:07:22,839 --> 02:07:20,599 can also publish the excerpts of that 3019 02:07:24,939 --> 02:07:22,849 interview so we'll have more material 3020 02:07:27,790 --> 02:07:24,949 from General Motors person that goes on 3021 02:07:30,280 --> 02:07:27,800 Antonio is it their position that UFOs 3022 02:07:32,500 --> 02:07:30,290 are extraterrestrial do they take a 3023 02:07:32,919 --> 02:07:32,510 position in a position no they're clear 3024 02:07:34,990 --> 02:07:32,929 on that 3025 02:07:37,420 --> 02:07:35,000 their position is that UFOs 3026 02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:37,430 are a real phenomenon but we don't know 3027 02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,440 what their origin is hey that's more 3028 02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:41,840 reasonable no of UFO organizations in 3029 02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:44,690 this country the privately right because 3030 02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:46,610 what they say we can establish it's a 3031 02:07:49,990 --> 02:07:48,290 real phenomenon and if I one of the 3032 02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:50,000 things I don't know if you caught his 3033 02:07:54,610 --> 02:07:52,400 lecture or not at the Congress he played 3034 02:07:56,350 --> 02:07:54,620 from all these tapes because again there 3035 02:07:58,240 --> 02:07:56,360 are the Civil Aviation agency so they 3036 02:08:00,490 --> 02:07:58,250 have access to all the radio 3037 02:08:03,100 --> 02:08:00,500 communications between control powers in 3038 02:08:05,170 --> 02:08:03,110 airliners not just airliners could be 3039 02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:05,180 military flight so could be you know 3040 02:08:10,570 --> 02:08:07,730 small planes any plane flying in the air 3041 02:08:12,430 --> 02:08:10,580 has to fly you know follow the plan and 3042 02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:12,440 be in touch with the control tower and 3043 02:08:16,450 --> 02:08:14,690 so they're there in access they have 3044 02:08:18,940 --> 02:08:16,460 access to all this material and whenever 3045 02:08:20,980 --> 02:08:18,950 there is a UFO report then those states 3046 02:08:23,500 --> 02:08:20,990 are preserved and then sent to this 3047 02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:23,510 agency and then this agency follows it 3048 02:08:26,620 --> 02:08:24,770 up since they're part of a civil 3049 02:08:28,510 --> 02:08:26,630 aviation anyway so they have access but 3050 02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:28,520 they will be kicked off by the control 3051 02:08:32,770 --> 02:08:30,530 tower people immediately as soon as they 3052 02:08:34,540 --> 02:08:32,780 they hear some pilot saying I have 3053 02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:34,550 something on the air you know what it is 3054 02:08:37,930 --> 02:08:36,650 whatever and the tower will say you know 3055 02:08:39,730 --> 02:08:37,940 we don't know what it is we have no 3056 02:08:42,070 --> 02:08:39,740 scheduled flight this is the kind of 3057 02:08:43,630 --> 02:08:42,080 dialogue you see on the you can hear on 3058 02:08:45,670 --> 02:08:43,640 those tapes he actually played with 3059 02:08:47,260 --> 02:08:45,680 tapes and on the tower point you know he 3060 02:08:50,650 --> 02:08:47,270 had the translation because obviously 3061 02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:50,660 the tapes were in Spanish so I think 3062 02:08:55,030 --> 02:08:53,210 it's very significant but it's an 3063 02:09:03,180 --> 02:08:55,040 interesting approach they want Achilles 3064 02:09:06,130 --> 02:09:03,190 bacon by the way as you were talking and 3065 02:09:10,740 --> 02:09:06,140 discussing the Chilean investigation of 3066 02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:10,750 UFOs one of our very very frequent 3067 02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:13,010 visitors to our forums one of our 3068 02:09:21,220 --> 02:09:18,050 veterans posted some more questions did 3069 02:09:23,530 --> 02:09:21,230 you notice that Chris I've ever caught 3070 02:09:25,420 --> 02:09:23,540 Chris flat-footed here well yeah no I 3071 02:09:30,250 --> 02:09:25,430 haven't refresh the page hold on okay 3072 02:09:34,140 --> 02:09:30,260 refresh the page and you'll see one of 3073 02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:34,150 our visitors from Down Under Blowfish oh 3074 02:09:39,700 --> 02:09:37,040 okay good yeah yeah Blowfish is always 3075 02:09:44,740 --> 02:09:39,710 fun he's always got some good stuff all 3076 02:09:48,250 --> 02:09:44,750 right let me see okay on the other 3077 02:09:48,730 --> 02:09:48,260 segment we'll have Antonio's answer the 3078 02:09:51,940 --> 02:09:48,740 first 3079 02:09:54,340 --> 02:09:51,950 is okay is there girl a growing movement 3080 02:09:56,830 --> 02:09:54,350 in South American scientific community 3081 02:09:59,410 --> 02:09:56,840 for more open debate of UFOs USO 3082 02:10:01,600 --> 02:09:59,420 phenomena and is there any current 3083 02:10:04,930 --> 02:10:01,610 scholarly investigation going on in 3084 02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:04,940 Brazil Colombia etc all right that's a 3085 02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:07,010 pretty extensive question it's so 3086 02:10:12,220 --> 02:10:09,770 extensive that I won't even ask for a 3087 02:10:13,630 --> 02:10:12,230 pithy comment from Antonio we're going 3088 02:10:16,060 --> 02:10:13,640 to just tell you we have Antonio who 3089 02:10:19,650 --> 02:10:16,070 næss he'll answer that question with 3090 02:10:27,549 --> 02:10:19,660 Gene and Chris you're in the para cast 3091 02:10:32,209 --> 02:10:29,770 America's number one source for 3092 02:10:33,169 --> 02:10:32,219 independent talk three meals for over a 3093 02:10:38,299 --> 02:10:33,179 decade 3094 02:10:40,729 --> 02:10:38,309 we are the gcn radio network graphic 3095 02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:40,739 converter is the image manipulation tool 3096 02:10:45,620 --> 02:10:43,199 for the rest of us it does not use any 3097 02:10:48,080 --> 02:10:45,630 database you get full control of all 3098 02:10:50,419 --> 02:10:48,090 your files want to view the images of a 3099 02:10:53,390 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in to the 3182 02:14:46,150 --> 02:14:44,390 para CASP 3183 02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:46,160 let me tell you what you're gonna hear 3184 02:14:51,260 --> 02:14:47,850 stuff here that you 3185 02:14:54,410 --> 02:14:51,270 probably won't hear anywhere else hear 3186 02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:54,420 that George snoring we have Antonio who 3187 02:14:58,910 --> 02:14:56,880 næss who had the honor of being asked a 3188 02:15:03,530 --> 02:14:58,920 question by one of our longtime regulars 3189 02:15:05,930 --> 02:15:03,540 Blowfish and now the answer okay so yeah 3190 02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:05,940 the question was if there's more 3191 02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:08,370 academic studies I guess or in South 3192 02:15:14,090 --> 02:15:11,760 America and yes I would say there is but 3193 02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:14,100 mostly because they acted in the old 3194 02:15:18,830 --> 02:15:16,770 days in South America you had it's sort 3195 02:15:21,740 --> 02:15:18,840 of a weird thing where the culture and 3196 02:15:23,930 --> 02:15:21,750 the media were very Pro eautiful but the 3197 02:15:25,700 --> 02:15:23,940 scientific community was terrible it was 3198 02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:25,710 almost it was it was worse than the 3199 02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:27,450 United States in the United States the 3200 02:15:31,130 --> 02:15:29,040 government and the media were not so 3201 02:15:32,870 --> 02:15:31,140 good but you did have more scientists 3202 02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:32,880 looking at the phenomena but this was 3203 02:15:38,630 --> 02:15:35,130 not the case I'm talking you know as far 3204 02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:38,640 as back at the 80s or 90s even but now 3205 02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:41,250 because so many countries in South 3206 02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:43,890 America have official agencies so that 3207 02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:46,530 kind of broken the lid you know now 3208 02:15:50,690 --> 02:15:49,170 you're a scientist with University you 3209 02:15:52,250 --> 02:15:50,700 can talk about UFOs because the 3210 02:15:53,390 --> 02:15:52,260 government's talk about yourselves and 3211 02:15:55,490 --> 02:15:53,400 the government through their Civil 3212 02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:55,500 Aviation agency or through the Air Force 3213 02:16:00,020 --> 02:15:58,560 like the case in Brazil or Argentina now 3214 02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:00,030 they're doing it through the Air Force 3215 02:16:03,620 --> 02:16:01,770 are talking and they're saying this is a 3216 02:16:05,150 --> 02:16:03,630 real phenomenon normally they won't say 3217 02:16:07,100 --> 02:16:05,160 if I shut the Russia but they'll say 3218 02:16:08,450 --> 02:16:07,110 it's real in the case of Chile which is 3219 02:16:10,730 --> 02:16:08,460 the one I know the best of course 3220 02:16:12,850 --> 02:16:10,740 because I'm Chilean and I know these 3221 02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:12,860 people personally they created a 3222 02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:16,530 scientific group of advisers to advise 3223 02:16:19,850 --> 02:16:18,210 their committee first they have their 3224 02:16:22,130 --> 02:16:19,860 internal advisors and this would be 3225 02:16:23,780 --> 02:16:22,140 people from the Civil Aviation agency or 3226 02:16:25,550 --> 02:16:23,790 from there of course this would be to 3227 02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:25,560 you know experts on radar and these 3228 02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:27,570 kinds of things but then they wanted to 3229 02:16:31,670 --> 02:16:29,610 go beyond that and get people who were 3230 02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:31,680 mainstream scientists as good as they 3231 02:16:35,629 --> 02:16:33,599 could get in Chile and so they created 3232 02:16:38,450 --> 02:16:35,639 this committee of advisers and it has 3233 02:16:40,430 --> 02:16:38,460 prominent scientists from economist from 3234 02:16:43,669 --> 02:16:40,440 universities in Chile and Chile has a 3235 02:16:45,379 --> 02:16:43,679 very rich astronomical community because 3236 02:16:47,240 --> 02:16:45,389 they're there all the big observatories 3237 02:16:49,250 --> 02:16:47,250 there you know which are mostly run by 3238 02:16:51,290 --> 02:16:49,260 the Americans and the Europeans but in 3239 02:16:53,060 --> 02:16:51,300 coordination with the Chileans yes that 3240 02:16:55,100 --> 02:16:53,070 is changing but you have to see a 3241 02:16:57,379 --> 02:16:55,110 country by country each country has a 3242 02:17:00,709 --> 02:16:57,389 little bit of its own up its own history 3243 02:17:01,170 --> 02:17:00,719 but in Argentina we still haven't seen 3244 02:17:03,060 --> 02:17:01,180 my 3245 02:17:05,581 --> 02:17:03,070 results because they just kicked off 3246 02:17:07,470 --> 02:17:05,591 their committee just a few months ago so 3247 02:17:09,180 --> 02:17:07,480 they're still in the preliminary process 3248 02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:09,190 you know and it takes time believe me 3249 02:17:14,581 --> 02:17:11,530 even when the Chilean created this I 3250 02:17:16,260 --> 02:17:14,591 which is back in 97 the first two years 3251 02:17:18,630 --> 02:17:16,270 say they weren't very active you know 3252 02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:18,640 they their budget was small and they you 3253 02:17:22,320 --> 02:17:20,080 know they were trying to get their 3254 02:17:24,210 --> 02:17:22,330 bearings together so that may take a 3255 02:17:26,041 --> 02:17:24,220 little while but eventually I'm sure 3256 02:17:27,810 --> 02:17:26,051 there's and Keenan's will launch their 3257 02:17:29,520 --> 02:17:27,820 investigation and they'll I mean they 3258 02:17:31,020 --> 02:17:29,530 already did but I mean we'll totally 3259 02:17:33,781 --> 02:17:31,030 sooner or later start hearing some 3260 02:17:36,270 --> 02:17:33,791 concrete results and likely they will 3261 02:17:37,940 --> 02:17:36,280 follow the Chilean model too and get get 3262 02:17:40,380 --> 02:17:37,950 advisors in the scientific community 3263 02:17:43,980 --> 02:17:40,390 Brazil of course has had a very rich 3264 02:17:46,161 --> 02:17:43,990 tradition of UFO studies all the way 3265 02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:46,171 back to the 50s they've had several 3266 02:17:50,550 --> 02:17:48,610 government investigations over Brazil 3267 02:17:52,110 --> 02:17:50,560 and they still have one although they 3268 02:17:55,560 --> 02:17:52,120 don't have it they don't have their own 3269 02:17:58,380 --> 02:17:55,570 department but the people who deal the 3270 02:18:01,411 --> 02:17:58,390 air traffic and but this from the Air 3271 02:18:03,451 --> 02:18:01,421 Force they have questionnaires so 3272 02:18:05,041 --> 02:18:03,461 anybody get any pilot but this doesn't 3273 02:18:06,720 --> 02:18:05,051 have to be five it could be a civilian 3274 02:18:08,430 --> 02:18:06,730 to on the ground or whatever anybody 3275 02:18:10,380 --> 02:18:08,440 that seems like you've spoken file this 3276 02:18:12,690 --> 02:18:10,390 questionnaire with the Brazilian Air 3277 02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:12,700 Force and was good about it in Brazil 3278 02:18:17,161 --> 02:18:15,010 cool we see this in some of the South 3279 02:18:18,781 --> 02:18:17,171 American countries as well that they 3280 02:18:21,241 --> 02:18:18,791 worse in the past they were very 3281 02:18:23,161 --> 02:18:21,251 secretive not necessarily about UFOs but 3282 02:18:26,310 --> 02:18:23,171 about mostly human rights and political 3283 02:18:27,810 --> 02:18:26,320 issues and also there was no recourse we 3284 02:18:29,820 --> 02:18:27,820 need to sue the government or get 3285 02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:29,830 documents but now they've changed 3286 02:18:33,541 --> 02:18:32,080 because now we've had democracy in non 3287 02:18:36,781 --> 02:18:33,551 America now for the last twenty years 3288 02:18:38,940 --> 02:18:36,791 basically so they test similar laws to 3289 02:18:41,610 --> 02:18:38,950 the Freedom of Information Act until is 3290 02:18:44,130 --> 02:18:41,620 known as the transparency law and in 3291 02:18:46,081 --> 02:18:44,140 Brazil there is a similar law which 3292 02:18:48,690 --> 02:18:46,091 means that the government now government 3293 02:18:50,670 --> 02:18:48,700 agencies are forced to make their 3294 02:18:52,500 --> 02:18:50,680 activities transparent unless they 3295 02:18:54,840 --> 02:18:52,510 affect national security obviously there 3296 02:18:56,670 --> 02:18:54,850 are some clauses you know on privacy and 3297 02:18:59,581 --> 02:18:56,680 things like that just like here but 3298 02:19:02,161 --> 02:18:59,591 other than that they are oh they are 3299 02:19:04,260 --> 02:19:02,171 supposed to make their stuff open to the 3300 02:19:06,180 --> 02:19:04,270 public in the art and that's how we know 3301 02:19:08,491 --> 02:19:06,190 about some of these servers also these 3302 02:19:10,470 --> 02:19:08,501 investigations in Brazil in fact they 3303 02:19:12,781 --> 02:19:10,480 even and ended the lower you could 3304 02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:12,791 actually sue the government so when they 3305 02:19:16,469 --> 02:19:15,010 when they were first realize that unless 3306 02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:16,479 they start releasing documents they were 3307 02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:19,090 going to be sued then they decided to 3308 02:19:21,959 --> 02:19:21,130 release talking and they did so in the 3309 02:19:23,940 --> 02:19:21,969 last few years 3310 02:19:26,730 --> 02:19:23,950 well I'd sure love to see the complete 3311 02:19:31,019 --> 02:19:26,740 dossier on the Caloris wave back in the 3312 02:19:32,660 --> 02:19:31,029 late 70s early 80s nobody you know they 3313 02:19:35,190 --> 02:19:32,670 never released everything you know and 3314 02:19:37,320 --> 02:19:35,200 well maybe on some other day and some 3315 02:19:39,509 --> 02:19:37,330 particular cases by the according to 3316 02:19:41,730 --> 02:19:39,519 Jerry Reed who's the most better known 3317 02:19:44,190 --> 02:19:41,740 the paleontologist and he was the guy 3318 02:19:46,410 --> 02:19:44,200 who was coordinating this then Freedom 3319 02:19:47,940 --> 02:19:46,420 of Information campaign that it was 3320 02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:47,950 calling Brazil that they launched a few 3321 02:19:52,889 --> 02:19:50,260 years ago and he claims particularly 3322 02:19:55,080 --> 02:19:52,899 with that very disturbing wave you know 3323 02:19:57,269 --> 02:19:55,090 they known as the troopers in northern 3324 02:19:59,040 --> 02:19:57,279 Brazil we think seems of course the 3325 02:20:01,080 --> 02:19:59,050 cases in coal areas where people got 3326 02:20:04,440 --> 02:20:01,090 injured there were even some fatalities 3327 02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:04,450 this was a really bad a bad scene I mean 3328 02:20:09,240 --> 02:20:07,120 these and these cases are very real 3329 02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:09,250 because people were injured and it was 3330 02:20:12,210 --> 02:20:11,410 also committed by the Air Force and for 3331 02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:12,220 many years 3332 02:20:16,889 --> 02:20:14,890 they hadn't released anything then but 3333 02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,899 there were some leaks valet had 3334 02:20:21,450 --> 02:20:18,880 published some of this material in his 3335 02:20:23,639 --> 02:20:21,460 book confrontations but at that time had 3336 02:20:25,230 --> 02:20:23,649 only been leaked or people had seen it 3337 02:20:27,570 --> 02:20:25,240 you know but eventually a lot of the 3338 02:20:29,190 --> 02:20:27,580 material was released but for instance 3339 02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:29,200 there are many accounts that when the 3340 02:20:34,019 --> 02:20:31,359 Air Force set up at Camp at the middle 3341 02:20:36,510 --> 02:20:34,029 of this flap in 1977 in the Amazon 3342 02:20:38,099 --> 02:20:36,520 region they had movie cameras they're 3343 02:20:40,260 --> 02:20:38,109 supposed to be they tent they took all 3344 02:20:44,580 --> 02:20:40,270 these movie footage that has never been 3345 02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:44,590 seen yeah there's still more stuff to be 3346 02:20:46,980 --> 02:20:45,040 gotten 3347 02:20:48,660 --> 02:20:46,990 but at least when you had nothing and 3348 02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:48,670 then you get something something is 3349 02:20:53,940 --> 02:20:50,850 better than nothing 3350 02:20:56,969 --> 02:20:53,950 Chris any sort of update reports of any 3351 02:20:58,889 --> 02:20:56,979 current UFO us o-- sightings down from 3352 02:21:01,410 --> 02:20:58,899 Latin America for example from 3353 02:21:03,090 --> 02:21:01,420 rainforests civilians cattle farmers 3354 02:21:05,639 --> 02:21:03,100 military pilots a commercial fisherman 3355 02:21:08,700 --> 02:21:05,649 I'd it's been fairly quiet the last 3356 02:21:11,700 --> 02:21:08,710 couple months pretty quiet 3357 02:21:13,290 --> 02:21:11,710 no no I mean I'm sure something but 3358 02:21:15,059 --> 02:21:13,300 nothing momentous you know I mean 3359 02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:15,069 sometimes you hear reports but they're 3360 02:21:19,530 --> 02:21:17,290 just you know one of the new reports as 3361 02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:19,540 far as something more substantial yeah I 3362 02:21:23,550 --> 02:21:20,890 think the last couple of months has been 3363 02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,560 relatively quiet but we've had in the 3364 02:21:27,960 --> 02:21:25,600 past some rather interesting group 3365 02:21:28,920 --> 02:21:27,970 incidents of cattle mutilations in in 3366 02:21:32,670 --> 02:21:28,930 Argentina 3367 02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:32,680 probably maybe even more cattle 3368 02:21:38,460 --> 02:21:35,130 mutilations down down there than here in 3369 02:21:41,099 --> 02:21:38,470 this lady andreas Paris who's also a 3370 02:21:42,510 --> 02:21:41,109 member of the hoof illogical their force 3371 02:21:44,429 --> 02:21:42,520 Commission's what's interesting about 3372 02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:44,439 Argentinian Air Force Commission and I 3373 02:21:48,030 --> 02:21:46,479 published all this material in both in 3374 02:21:50,370 --> 02:21:48,040 the magazine and in the open minds 3375 02:21:52,650 --> 02:21:50,380 website when when he first came out was 3376 02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:52,660 one of our big stories because he was on 3377 02:21:57,300 --> 02:21:55,359 unusual what happened so there is a 3378 02:21:59,460 --> 02:21:57,310 Argentine Air Force finding decides to 3379 02:22:01,439 --> 02:21:59,470 create a committee what they do they 3380 02:22:03,090 --> 02:22:01,449 call the apologists I mean they have 3381 02:22:05,729 --> 02:22:03,100 their own experts obviously but they 3382 02:22:07,500 --> 02:22:05,739 also called ecologists and they invited 3383 02:22:09,599 --> 02:22:07,510 some of the more common in members of 3384 02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:09,609 the civilian UFO community to become 3385 02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:12,399 external members of you know this sounds 3386 02:22:16,979 --> 02:22:14,560 like an you know impossible in the US 3387 02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:16,989 you could never even envision something 3388 02:22:20,729 --> 02:22:19,210 like that in the US but in Latin America 3389 02:22:22,080 --> 02:22:20,739 is different you don't have to be 3390 02:22:24,780 --> 02:22:22,090 fighting the government on your thoughts 3391 02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,790 you can work together and so she this 3392 02:22:27,300 --> 02:22:26,560 lady who's actually a chemist by 3393 02:22:29,250 --> 02:22:27,310 profession 3394 02:22:31,950 --> 02:22:29,260 she had documented a lot of cattle 3395 02:22:33,599 --> 02:22:31,960 mutilation cages and the last time I did 3396 02:22:35,729 --> 02:22:33,609 talk to her that was her cousin while 3397 02:22:38,370 --> 02:22:35,739 ago but not too long ago maybe about a 3398 02:22:40,410 --> 02:22:38,380 few months ago she said that there was 3399 02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:40,420 in this particular area of Argentina 3400 02:22:44,490 --> 02:22:42,160 there have been so many of these reports 3401 02:22:46,710 --> 02:22:44,500 both UFO sightings and mutilations that 3402 02:22:50,550 --> 02:22:46,720 they had created sort of an informal 3403 02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:50,560 network between the ranchers and the 3404 02:22:54,540 --> 02:22:52,720 tearin Aryan people in the police the 3405 02:22:56,910 --> 02:22:54,550 local police to deal with this 3406 02:22:58,740 --> 02:22:56,920 phenomenon yeah I think the the the full 3407 02:23:02,219 --> 02:22:58,750 scope of what's been going on down there 3408 02:23:04,889 --> 02:23:02,229 since 2000 basically I don't think is 3409 02:23:07,559 --> 02:23:04,899 gonna be it's we're never really gonna 3410 02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:07,569 know up here the extent of what's going 3411 02:23:15,300 --> 02:23:10,960 on down there northern Argentina South 3412 02:23:17,130 --> 02:23:15,310 Eastern Brazil yes you know chemical 3413 02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:17,140 analysis and everything I mean some of 3414 02:23:22,729 --> 02:23:18,970 the scientific researchers was better 3415 02:23:26,849 --> 02:23:22,739 than here afternoon was never translated 3416 02:23:29,820 --> 02:23:26,859 yeah in the one case of the the 60,000 3417 02:23:32,130 --> 02:23:29,830 gallons sister and drained in a matter 3418 02:23:33,900 --> 02:23:32,140 of a few hours and then a mutilated cow 3419 02:23:35,550 --> 02:23:33,910 left in the empty sister and that that's 3420 02:23:37,830 --> 02:23:35,560 that's got to be one of the all-time 3421 02:23:40,740 --> 02:23:37,840 classic cases you know you just don't 3422 02:23:42,179 --> 02:23:40,750 hear about that stuff up here and and I 3423 02:23:42,720 --> 02:23:42,189 think you're right when you say that 3424 02:23:45,001 --> 02:23:42,730 there there 3425 02:23:46,890 --> 02:23:45,011 seems to be quite a bit more activity at 3426 02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:46,900 least in the unexplained livestock death 3427 02:23:51,211 --> 02:23:49,200 phenomenon down there then yeah here and 3428 02:23:53,430 --> 02:23:51,221 and it's good that they're taking it 3429 02:23:55,951 --> 02:23:53,440 seriously and organizing obviously a lot 3430 02:23:57,261 --> 02:23:55,961 of these cases or 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we'll 3555 02:29:15,801 --> 02:29:14,430 just sit back and relax to happen you 3556 02:29:16,310 --> 02:29:15,811 know make Antonia do all the heavy 3557 02:29:18,320 --> 02:29:16,320 lifting 3558 02:29:19,640 --> 02:29:18,330 that's right yeah also two hours right 3559 02:29:21,761 --> 02:29:19,650 that gives you a little bit more time 3560 02:29:25,460 --> 02:29:21,771 when you do 20 minute interview whatever 3561 02:29:28,670 --> 02:29:25,470 yeah we know how it works and that is 3562 02:29:31,700 --> 02:29:28,680 what's the state here of the UFO 3563 02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:31,710 organizations right now in America and 3564 02:29:36,110 --> 02:29:34,650 why are things so kind of messy here 3565 02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:36,120 you know there's right now I don't know 3566 02:29:40,011 --> 02:29:37,680 if Chris has heard this I was talking to 3567 02:29:42,140 --> 02:29:40,021 somebody earlier today before we did 3568 02:29:43,880 --> 02:29:42,150 this recording connected with an 3569 02:29:46,940 --> 02:29:43,890 organization called the committee to 3570 02:29:48,680 --> 02:29:46,950 reform MUFON oh yeah I've heard of those 3571 02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:48,690 people they're lame Douglas I'm not 3572 02:29:54,261 --> 02:29:50,880 impressed you're not why not yeah 3573 02:29:57,261 --> 02:29:54,271 because there are too militant their 3574 02:30:00,080 --> 02:29:57,271 approach Alain Douglas I've known her 3575 02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:00,090 she was you may remember this gene or 3576 02:30:05,710 --> 02:30:03,450 Chris she was involved with this outfit 3577 02:30:08,060 --> 02:30:05,720 years ago cooperation right - no 3578 02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:08,070 remember they did a rally in car in the 3579 02:30:14,540 --> 02:30:10,890 White House that mostly was their fact 3580 02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:14,550 that Moses was there for the fun and at 3581 02:30:18,170 --> 02:30:15,930 that time she was younger and stuff 3582 02:30:21,440 --> 02:30:18,180 she's kind of become very bitter Arian 3583 02:30:23,810 --> 02:30:21,450 on but I mean sure I mean I used to be 3584 02:30:25,551 --> 02:30:23,820 with member of MUFON now I'm independent 3585 02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:25,561 you know exam with open minds but I'm 3586 02:30:30,860 --> 02:30:27,930 yeah absolutely MUFON has a lot of 3587 02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:30,870 things that can be improved but on the 3588 02:30:37,910 --> 02:30:32,730 other hand is the best we have you know 3589 02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:37,920 in yes you can reform it but but instead 3590 02:30:42,261 --> 02:30:40,050 of like attacking it you know I mean she 3591 02:30:44,091 --> 02:30:42,271 says she's gonna reform it but she's you 3592 02:30:47,330 --> 02:30:44,101 know it's the way she's going about it 3593 02:30:48,980 --> 02:30:47,340 not not the proper way in my opinion are 3594 02:30:51,860 --> 02:30:48,990 you planning on having Elaine on or one 3595 02:30:54,439 --> 02:30:51,870 of the founders of this particular 3596 02:30:56,269 --> 02:30:54,449 movement chain well right now what 3597 02:30:59,649 --> 02:30:56,279 they are apparently trying to do is look 3598 02:31:04,069 --> 02:30:59,659 at the what they claim to be an existing 3599 02:31:06,289 --> 02:31:04,079 connection between Bob Bigelow mu funnel 3600 02:31:08,719 --> 02:31:06,299 those efficiently it no longer exists 3601 02:31:11,659 --> 02:31:08,729 they're saying that sometimes you put up 3602 02:31:14,779 --> 02:31:11,669 a case at MUFON x' database and it's 3603 02:31:17,659 --> 02:31:14,789 disappeared if you get what i mean the 3604 02:31:20,510 --> 02:31:17,669 case disappearance and supposedly going 3605 02:31:22,789 --> 02:31:20,520 into his investigative coffers or 3606 02:31:24,260 --> 02:31:22,799 whatever in his repositories so I don't 3607 02:31:26,539 --> 02:31:24,270 know that's an ultimate conspiracy 3608 02:31:28,459 --> 02:31:26,549 theory yeah well you know how the for 3609 02:31:29,630 --> 02:31:28,469 logical people are with conspiracies you 3610 02:31:32,179 --> 02:31:29,640 know that sounds like a lot of 3611 02:31:34,579 --> 02:31:32,189 conspiracy to me I mean it sure Bigelow 3612 02:31:37,399 --> 02:31:34,589 was associated with MUFON at one point 3613 02:31:40,249 --> 02:31:37,409 at one time mostly it's because he 3614 02:31:42,109 --> 02:31:40,259 funded you know the start project but 3615 02:31:45,529 --> 02:31:42,119 then there were a lot of problems 3616 02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:45,539 between Bigelow and MUFON mostly what's 3617 02:31:53,359 --> 02:31:48,890 his name you know the previous director 3618 02:31:57,319 --> 02:31:53,369 carry on before cliff yeah yeah carry on 3619 02:31:59,779 --> 02:31:57,329 his now carry on has become very much of 3620 02:32:02,059 --> 02:31:59,789 a UFO skeptic again I don't think there 3621 02:32:03,679 --> 02:32:02,069 is so much when he was with MUFON but 3622 02:32:05,630 --> 02:32:03,689 since then he was on the show we had a 3623 02:32:09,079 --> 02:32:05,640 fascinating discussion here in the power 3624 02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:09,089 cast where carrion told us his problems 3625 02:32:15,469 --> 02:32:12,329 and his griping with MUFON and then I 3626 02:32:17,359 --> 02:32:15,479 asked him and this may precipitated 3627 02:32:18,319 --> 02:32:17,369 something Chris remembers this it's in 3628 02:32:21,619 --> 02:32:18,329 our demo reel 3629 02:32:27,219 --> 02:32:21,629 I asked Carrie on how do we know you're 3630 02:32:35,239 --> 02:32:30,739 very fair but after that he kind of cut 3631 02:32:36,920 --> 02:32:35,249 me off his email list yeah well yeah 3632 02:32:39,409 --> 02:32:36,930 because Karen is always talking about 3633 02:32:42,679 --> 02:32:39,419 the the government you know well he is 3634 02:32:44,689 --> 02:32:42,689 really he had the theory yeah well you 3635 02:32:47,779 --> 02:32:44,699 know he had this theory that that the 3636 02:32:50,749 --> 02:32:47,789 flying saucer wave of 1947 was all like 3637 02:32:54,349 --> 02:32:50,759 a like a basically an intelligence 3638 02:32:57,170 --> 02:32:54,359 created show to me doesn't make any 3639 02:32:59,809 --> 02:32:57,180 sense not that one because the Soviets 3640 02:33:01,279 --> 02:32:59,819 are a very incredibly good intelligence 3641 02:33:02,899 --> 02:33:01,289 service they would have discovered in 3642 02:33:04,880 --> 02:33:02,909 five minutes you know exam if they were 3643 02:33:06,920 --> 02:33:04,890 being put out by the Americans so I 3644 02:33:08,300 --> 02:33:06,930 don't I don't buy that one but yeah 3645 02:33:09,530 --> 02:33:08,310 they've been some cases were 3646 02:33:11,599 --> 02:33:09,540 there has been probably some 3647 02:33:13,790 --> 02:33:11,609 interference I would rule that out for 3648 02:33:15,979 --> 02:33:13,800 sure well there's been a lot of cases 3649 02:33:18,349 --> 02:33:15,989 that are misidentified exotic technology 3650 02:33:20,719 --> 02:33:18,359 that we're we've developed and we're 3651 02:33:22,729 --> 02:33:20,729 going operational Wed to yes well that 3652 02:33:24,620 --> 02:33:22,739 would be actually one reason why they 3653 02:33:26,689 --> 02:33:24,630 buy the government intelligence would 3654 02:33:28,729 --> 02:33:26,699 want to keep an eye in case you write 3655 02:33:31,250 --> 02:33:28,739 pacified technology becomes exposed 3656 02:33:32,870 --> 02:33:31,260 unwittingly to the public I think that 3657 02:33:34,700 --> 02:33:32,880 was always the case it's not the only 3658 02:33:36,559 --> 02:33:34,710 case the only reason but at the age 3659 02:33:38,030 --> 02:33:36,569 certainly it's a valid reason if you are 3660 02:33:40,370 --> 02:33:38,040 in the government and you're guarding 3661 02:33:42,920 --> 02:33:40,380 secret technology and these things have 3662 02:33:44,719 --> 02:33:42,930 to fly and I'm truly and even if they 3663 02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:44,729 are in a secret facility once they go up 3664 02:33:50,389 --> 02:33:46,770 you know chances are that someone will 3665 02:33:52,639 --> 02:33:50,399 see them so that at least is one reason 3666 02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:52,649 for government surveillance 3667 02:33:57,080 --> 02:33:55,050 matéo pathology well how about you 3668 02:34:00,069 --> 02:33:57,090 antonio gosh you're one of our most 3669 02:34:02,420 --> 02:34:00,079 knowledgeable historians in the field 3670 02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:02,430 there's very few people in the field 3671 02:34:07,189 --> 02:34:05,130 that can match your your the width and 3672 02:34:09,139 --> 02:34:07,199 breadth of your knowledge I know you've 3673 02:34:10,609 --> 02:34:09,149 been kind of toying around over the 3674 02:34:13,580 --> 02:34:10,619 years that I've known you with with some 3675 02:34:17,359 --> 02:34:13,590 various ideas for books so are you ever 3676 02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:17,369 gonna come up with a good overview let's 3677 02:34:24,189 --> 02:34:20,640 say of medieval cases or Latin American 3678 02:34:27,260 --> 02:34:24,199 cases have you got a book idea in mind 3679 02:34:30,590 --> 02:34:27,270 yeah well I mean a few years ago 3680 02:34:32,569 --> 02:34:30,600 actually I had a I even had some funding 3681 02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:32,579 at one time from you I think you know 3682 02:34:35,330 --> 02:34:34,890 her you met her too Chris from sandy 3683 02:34:38,479 --> 02:34:35,340 right 3684 02:34:40,370 --> 02:34:38,489 the BSW foundation yes connected it'll 3685 02:34:42,559 --> 02:34:40,380 be with Laurance Rockefeller a wonderful 3686 02:34:44,689 --> 02:34:42,569 lady she's a lot of people in the field 3687 02:34:45,889 --> 02:34:44,699 right but she kept it low-key 3688 02:34:49,519 --> 02:34:45,899 you know so people didn't know her name 3689 02:34:52,910 --> 02:34:49,529 and so we were gonna do a historical 3690 02:34:54,530 --> 02:34:52,920 book but then the funding ended but the 3691 02:34:56,960 --> 02:34:54,540 other things happened so I never got 3692 02:34:58,639 --> 02:34:56,970 around to it and of course now our good 3693 02:35:00,530 --> 02:34:58,649 old buddy you know Jacques Vallee did it 3694 02:35:02,599 --> 02:35:00,540 so I mean there was a kid that was there 3695 02:35:04,359 --> 02:35:02,609 was a great need for him for a really 3696 02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:04,369 good no nonsense 3697 02:35:08,389 --> 02:35:06,810 historical book but of course it could 3698 02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:08,399 be done differently than ballet 3699 02:35:13,330 --> 02:35:10,890 basically is the catalog right of cases 3700 02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,340 I'm talking on wonders in the sky and 3701 02:35:18,170 --> 02:35:15,600 which I use all the time when I'm 3702 02:35:21,080 --> 02:35:18,180 writing about some historical thing and 3703 02:35:22,110 --> 02:35:21,090 the other alternative is to do with a 3704 02:35:23,910 --> 02:35:22,120 lot of it graphic 3705 02:35:25,890 --> 02:35:23,920 which of course this book didn't you 3706 02:35:28,890 --> 02:35:25,900 know his book is mostly just like I said 3707 02:35:30,540 --> 02:35:28,900 a catalog yeah I would like of course to 3708 02:35:32,250 --> 02:35:30,550 write a book but right now I'm so busy 3709 02:35:34,950 --> 02:35:32,260 with the magazine deadlines you know 3710 02:35:37,350 --> 02:35:34,960 that I just don't have the time for now 3711 02:35:40,230 --> 02:35:37,360 but I'm sure there will be a time 3712 02:35:42,091 --> 02:35:40,240 probably the first book will probably 3713 02:35:43,740 --> 02:35:42,101 just be a collection on articles because 3714 02:35:45,841 --> 02:35:43,750 that would be easy you know I mean that 3715 02:35:48,180 --> 02:35:45,851 basically I can I can select the best 3716 02:35:50,370 --> 02:35:48,190 articles and put them in by categories 3717 02:35:51,210 --> 02:35:50,380 or whatever and maybe do some update if 3718 02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:51,220 necessary 3719 02:35:56,490 --> 02:35:53,410 that's one thing that'll probably do 3720 02:35:57,990 --> 02:35:56,500 sooner or later but then eventually I 3721 02:36:00,750 --> 02:35:58,000 probably would like to write maybe a 3722 02:36:03,660 --> 02:36:00,760 more philosophical book but I'm not 3723 02:36:06,690 --> 02:36:03,670 ready and then ultimately and would be 3724 02:36:07,980 --> 02:36:06,700 my name worse I think yeah I would 3725 02:36:11,160 --> 02:36:07,990 probably I would like to publish it 3726 02:36:16,350 --> 02:36:11,170 after I'm gone because probably would be 3727 02:36:18,120 --> 02:36:16,360 a lot of bad things about people he's 3728 02:36:21,140 --> 02:36:18,130 going to tell what he thinks of me the 3729 02:36:23,250 --> 02:36:21,150 real truth and I'm waiting for this I 3730 02:36:24,750 --> 02:36:23,260 won't be around when he writes his 3731 02:36:27,420 --> 02:36:24,760 memoirs so I don't have to worry about 3732 02:36:34,440 --> 02:36:27,430 it except from up there you know cause 3733 02:36:36,210 --> 02:36:34,450 I'm all sorts of instead of a 3734 02:36:40,020 --> 02:36:36,220 kiss-and-tell book it'll be a kick in 3735 02:36:41,820 --> 02:36:40,030 tell yeah I think like I say I'm not 3736 02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:41,830 ready for it not yet because I'm still 3737 02:36:45,930 --> 02:36:44,290 you know part of the community now 3738 02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:45,940 especially with open minds and yeah I 3739 02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:51,370 mean I would be fair you've met anybody 3740 02:36:55,261 --> 02:36:53,050 who's anybody in the field over the 3741 02:36:57,410 --> 02:36:55,271 years including Hynek and and you know 3742 02:36:59,910 --> 02:36:57,420 some of them you know some of the more 3743 02:37:01,620 --> 02:36:59,920 historical figures that go back aways 3744 02:37:03,900 --> 02:37:01,630 and it'll be fat it would be a 3745 02:37:06,420 --> 02:37:03,910 fascinating read I'd definitely I'd get 3746 02:37:08,250 --> 02:37:06,430 it maybe it could be a success many 3747 02:37:09,960 --> 02:37:08,260 things that I was part of it you know 3748 02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:09,970 over the years I mean when there was 3749 02:37:14,460 --> 02:37:12,250 that big hudson valley flapper you know 3750 02:37:16,350 --> 02:37:14,470 which a high-neck it's probably last 3751 02:37:18,270 --> 02:37:16,360 time I even saw Heineken in Peter 3752 02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:18,280 Gersten and he might have been in there 3753 02:37:22,620 --> 02:37:20,080 I'm not sure if because I think you were 3754 02:37:24,091 --> 02:37:22,630 still in the in the in Jersey back back 3755 02:37:25,980 --> 02:37:24,101 then do you remember that thing that 3756 02:37:29,720 --> 02:37:25,990 Peter Gersten did in Brewster New York 3757 02:37:32,011 --> 02:37:29,730 he had over a thousand people yeah yeah 3758 02:37:34,140 --> 02:37:32,021 at the height of the Hudson Valley 3759 02:37:36,051 --> 02:37:34,150 John fuller was there then we come I 3760 02:37:39,240 --> 02:37:36,061 ever saw John fuller 3761 02:37:42,301 --> 02:37:39,250 and of course I Nick and many others but 3762 02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:42,311 uh yeah I was there you know so many of 3763 02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:44,080 these things well of course the UN 3764 02:37:47,460 --> 02:37:46,000 hearing they unite United Nations 3765 02:37:49,261 --> 02:37:47,470 hearing I think we talked about on the 3766 02:37:51,570 --> 02:37:49,271 previous interview we did a couple years 3767 02:37:54,120 --> 02:37:51,580 ago I was there that was the very first 3768 02:37:56,460 --> 02:37:54,130 UFO event I ever attended 3769 02:37:58,080 --> 02:37:56,470 I started in style you know but it was 3770 02:38:00,360 --> 02:37:58,090 just a coincidence I mean it just as I 3771 02:38:02,820 --> 02:38:00,370 got just getting interested in the 3772 02:38:04,410 --> 02:38:02,830 subject in my very early steps we're 3773 02:38:06,301 --> 02:38:04,420 just about a half time tell our 3774 02:38:08,130 --> 02:38:06,311 listeners one more time where they can 3775 02:38:14,660 --> 02:38:08,140 find more information about open minds 3776 02:38:19,950 --> 02:38:17,430 web ours web story of the you time 3777 02:38:22,680 --> 02:38:19,960 entirely everybody it's good stuff it's 3778 02:38:24,540 --> 02:38:22,690 it's the class of the field right now in 3779 02:38:26,310 --> 02:38:24,550 many ways definitely the best magazine 3780 02:38:28,440 --> 02:38:26,320 coming out in this country right now uh 3781 02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:28,450 pertaining to the UFO subject and of 3782 02:38:33,660 --> 02:38:31,120 course you can find us at the podcast 3783 02:38:35,820 --> 02:38:33,670 calm or you can send us a tweet the 3784 02:38:39,120 --> 02:38:35,830 power casts on Twitter Chris O'Brien 3785 02:38:41,370 --> 02:38:39,130 site our strange planet calm his maith's 3786 02:38:42,750 --> 02:38:41,380 debut and a brand new design there's 3787 02:38:44,610 --> 02:38:42,760 still some work to be done then we'll 3788 02:38:45,450 --> 02:38:44,620 have that web cam that Chris has been 3789 02:38:47,640 --> 02:38:45,460 telling you about 3790 02:38:49,440 --> 02:38:47,650 Antonio Venegas thank you so much for 3791 02:38:50,400 --> 02:38:49,450 joining us this week on the power cast 3792 02:38:55,090 --> 02:38:50,410 my pleasure 3793 02:39:01,520 --> 02:38:58,610 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3794 02:39:04,511 --> 02:39:01,530 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3795 02:39:08,240 --> 02:39:04,521 presentation of making the impossible